And now for an interesting hand...

[Clayton]

I have 6k, blinds 50/100, around 60 left in a 180-man.

Fishy fishy with 8k and running hot limps UTG, folded to me in the CO and I limp with 22. Folded to BB who is a good player and probably figures me for my image (LAG and tricky). He also has 8k. He raises to 600.

UTG calls.

I shove.

So?

[bestcellar]

your limp reraise makes zero sense to any player with half a brain.

edit: because you only limp reraise looking for action behind and how could you think that action behind is going to occur under these circumstances?

[grafyx]

Do you think are flipping and want to take the flip? Or do you think they both fold a majority of the time?

[Clayton]

both - err you changed your question....

the question is to what degree, and to what degree is necessary to make this a decent play

it's a squeeze play of sorts. i don't profess this to be a great play, I'm actually curious how good it is. It seemed like a good enough play at the time.

fwiw average stack was like 4k and leaders were 13kish

[grafyx]

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both - err you changed your question....

the question is to what degree, and to what degree is necessary to make this a decent play

it's a squeeze play of sorts. i don't profess this to be a great play, I'm actually curious how good it is. It seemed like a good enough play at the time.

fwiw average stack was like 4k and leaders were 13kish

[/ QUOTE ]

I think you have very little FE. In a 20/180 I think this is rarely a pure bluff raise from BB and he will call you with everything in his raising range.

edit: sorry I rephrased my original question in the first post to be a little more clear. You respond fast [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Clayton]

dont you think UTG fishy huge stack in the hand influences BB at all?

in reality BB folded and UTG instacalled.

[grafyx]

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dont you think UTG fishy huge stack in the hand influences BB at all?

in reality BB folded and UTG instacalled.

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My read would be that BB is rarely bluffing because he knows that UTG fishy is going to call. So, I think he is raising a good hand for value. I'm suprised he folded, not at all suprised you got an UTG call. I figured it'd go 3 way all in.

[Burno]

[ QUOTE ]
I have 6k, blinds 50/100, around 60 left in a 180-man.

Fishy fishy with 8k and running hot limps UTG, folded to me in the CO and I limp with 22. Folded to BB who is a good player and probably figures me for my image (LAG and tricky). He also has 8k. He raises to 600.

UTG calls.

I shove.

So?

[/ QUOTE ]

I would never try this in a 20/180. I don't think I'd ever try this anywhere, barring two absolutely perfect reads.

You are in a great chip position in a very soft field. You either pick up 1300ish, which doesn't impact your flexibility much, or possibly go broke in a pot you have t100 invested. Ew.

Did you try putting them on some reasonable calling ranges and seeing how often they have to fold for this to be +EV?

[tubasteve]

I've had moderate success with this in 4/180s. I think it's probably +EV if he's raising light.

[A_Junglen]

You're playing with your hand faceup, and even if they're idiots and don't recognize this, UTG (described as fishy fishy, and running hot) seems liable to call.

That's another bad thing...ANY CALL is bad news. If we get heads up and are lucky enough to get in a race, there isn't a great overlay in the pot.

You have 6k with 50/100 blinds, absolutely no need for this.

EDIT: Ok, you're not playing with your hand face up, but it's certainly close. Either way theres not enough in the pot to justify risking your stack