Too tight here?

ckboddic · #1 05-13-2006, 03:17 PM

I feel like I didn't give this guy a hard enough time here...seems like I may have played it weak. I don't have much a read on the guy at the moment; so, given that, how should I have played this hand? I wanted to just call reraise on flop to see make sure there wasn't a diamond on turn...I thought top pair was more likely but wanted to be safe. I thought KQ was a definite possibility here...hence, call on turn. Please comment on all streets.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

BB ($611.10)
UTG ($1531.15)
Hero ($1980.72)
CO ($1063)
Button ($616.25)
SB ($738)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3.
UTG raises to $22, Hero calls $22, 1 fold, Button calls $22, 1 fold, BB calls $16.

Flop: ($91) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $40, Button calls $40, BB raises to $80, UTG folds, Hero calls $40, Button calls $40.

Turn: ($331) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $175, Hero calls $175, Button folds.

River: ($681) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero calls $334.10.

Final Pot: $1015.10

Big_Jim · #2 05-13-2006, 03:18 PM

Push turn.

Rick305 · #3 05-13-2006, 03:20 PM

that flop bet is horrible

Big_Jim · #4 05-13-2006, 03:20 PM

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that flop bet is horribe

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Hah, didn't notice that.

Yeah, bet more on the flop.

Lucky · #5 05-13-2006, 03:25 PM

yeah, too tight.

Bet more on flop, and prob get it in witout too much thought here.

You have bottom two, but its raised pot; these guys dont have KK/K5/K4. The only thing they could have youll hate is 44/55, but thats less likely because of you're hand.

Anyway, you're bet size is bad on flop, your call is worse given they're probably on draw. When you call a raise and get this flop with 100bb effective stacks, you should salivate.

Big_Jim · #6 05-13-2006, 03:27 PM

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these guys dont have KK/K5/K4

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FWIW, I'm usually calling in the BB with Kxs, here.

Thremp · #7 05-13-2006, 03:46 PM

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these guys dont have KK/K5/K4

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FWIW, I'm usually a maniac, here.

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FYP

Big_Jim · #8 05-13-2006, 03:48 PM

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these guys dont have KK/K5/K4

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FWIW, I'm usually a maniac, here.

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FYP

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Getting almost 5:1 with a suited K and full stacks, come on.

Thremp · #9 05-13-2006, 03:53 PM

Yeesh. I didn't recognize multiple people were 150+BB deep with us covering and everyone with a full stack.

Yeah, easy call closing action.

ckboddic · #10 05-13-2006, 04:11 PM

Thanks for the replies guys.

So, bet more on the flop? Like $80 or pot? And am I correct in thinking that a bigger bet would serve to get out the drawing hands...people with pocket pairs looking to hit trips...kings with low kickers...or is there something more to it?

Also, how do you like my smooth call pf? Is this standard or nonsense?

One thing that lead me, I think, to just a call on flop was the fact that another person was also in it and calling...BB. That lead me to be "careful" on turn. Is this dumb?

Also, if I'm going to push the turn...why not just push the flop? Is it because I'm unlikely to get a call from a lesser hand if I push on flop. Maybe AA or AK will call...but not much else. Is this reasoning correct? You folks assume that I'm still likely to be ahead on turn? If so, why?

I understand that it should probably be raise all in or fold here...correct?

Appreciate all the response.

I'll post results after I hear the responses to this.