Critique this hand please... AA in the money with 2nd biggest stack

FuriousD · #1 05-13-2006, 01:58 AM

This was a 10+1 NL HE tourney with about 900 paricipants. There were about 95-100 players left at this point. My stack was about twice the average stack size, if I recall correctly.

The main villian (big stack) was a fairly new arrival to the table. I don't think he had much info on me. The other players probably thought of me as a bit of a bully.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t5450)
MP3 (t17792)
CO (t2184)
Hero (t20696)
SB (t5239)
BB (t8730)
UTG (t4795)
UTG+1 (t4345)
MP1 (t28274)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to t1600, MP2 calls t1600, 2 folds, Hero raises to t4000, SB raises to t5189, 1 fold, MP1 calls t3589, MP2 calls t3589, Hero calls t1189.

Flop: (t21056) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets t211 (All-In), Hero calls t211, MP1 raises to t1600, Hero calls t1389.

Turn: (t24467) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
MP1 bets t1600, Hero calls t1600.

River: (t27667) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players, 1 all-in)
MP1 bets t4000, Hero calls t4000.

Final Pot: t35667

Let me say that I'm not proud of the way I played this. That may be because I'm still feeling disappointed at the result of this tournament that I played fairly well otherwise -- I don't recall any glaring mistakes I made in other hands.

Results will follow.

dcviperboy · #2 05-13-2006, 02:01 AM

Definately push PF or on the flop

ZBTHorton · #3 05-13-2006, 02:11 AM

push PF all day long.

FuriousD · #4 05-13-2006, 02:16 AM

At which point do I push? The first raise looks fine preflop. The subsequent call may seem wrong but the players in the tourney generally seemed weak enough that I might be able to profit more by allowing them to make mistakes postflop.

On the flop, why not call the teeny raise and then hope the villian is content to check down.

The villians raise confused me -- was he building a the pot for a monster hand? I didn't think he'd be dumb enough to bluff here.

So are you saying reraise allin after his smallish reraise?

FuriousD · #5 05-13-2006, 02:18 AM

push PF all day long.

Why?

Whether or not I goofed PF, what about the other streets?

Black Aces 518 · #6 05-13-2006, 02:28 AM

You can't be serious. After MP1 and MP2 both call the allin, SHOVE. It is NOT close. The pot is large, and they have shown they like their hand, let them get it allin now or fold, rather than see the flop and only keep going if they outflop you.

ZBTHorton · #7 05-13-2006, 02:30 AM

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push PF all day long.

Why?

Whether or not I goofed PF, what about the other streets?

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Well. If you don't push PF, you HAVE to push the flop.

ZBTHorton · #8 05-13-2006, 02:35 AM

I'll critique the whole hand real quick.

#1. The initial re-raise is too small. It should be like..5600 probably.
#2. The call of the push is completely atrocious. This is as easy of a push as it gets.
#3. The call of the 211 bet, WTF is that? Why? The pot has 20K in it!!!
#4. The call of the re-raise to 1600 is horrible as well. This should be a push. Or a fold. It shouldn't really matter, you shouldn't be making decisions here.
#5. The call of the 1600 bet is pretty bad.
#6. The call of the river is pretty bad.

I don't understand your thinking on a single street in the hand.

FuriousD · #9 05-13-2006, 02:39 AM

Okay, so pushing post-flop in your opinion is best.
Is folding less bad than calling?

What range of hands do you put MP1 on at this point?

JustPlayingSmart · #10 05-13-2006, 02:40 AM

I would raise more the first time preflop. I would bump it to about T6500 or T7000.

After the flop, since you're only facing one opponent with chips, I would probably be looking to build up the side pot. Obviously if he has a Q you are beat, but given the level of your opponents, I think you make chips by raising here.

All,

He cannot shove after the allin preflop. It is not enough of a raise to reopen the betting. If it was however, obviously shoving would be the best play.