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05-09-2006, 09:31 AM
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Calling two, cold, on the flop with a gutshot
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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, MP calls, CO calls, SB calls. Flop: (10 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls, 
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#3
05-09-2006, 09:40 AM
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Re: Calling two, cold, on the flop with a gutshot
Eh... This is borderline OOP getting 7:1 (8:1 if both UTG and MP call, which they often will), if only because there are many times you'll be getting far less than 7 or 8 to 1 (i.e. UTG may 3-bet).
Even though you have pretty good implied odds, I'm probably folding the flop. Curious what others think. Tom
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#5
05-09-2006, 09:44 AM
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Re: Calling two, cold, on the flop with a gutshot
I think the presence of the BDFD is significant.
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#6
05-09-2006, 09:48 AM
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Re: Calling two, cold, on the flop with a gutshot
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I think the presence of the BDFD is significant. [/ QUOTE ] It helps but it's hardly significant as we will always have to pay at least 1 BB on the turn (and sometimes 1 or 2 SBs more on the flop). Also, implied odds mean less when our immediate odds are 16:2 versus 8:1. I'm not saying a flop coldcall is horrible. It's a pretty neutral EV situation that has bad variance implications. I try and stay away from those situations.
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#7
05-09-2006, 10:19 AM
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Re: Calling two, cold, on the flop with a gutshot
just to reiterate, I agree with all of spy's points. It's close yes, but closer to a fold
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#8
05-09-2006, 10:52 AM
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Re: Calling two, cold, on the flop with a gutshot
Results, I hit a ten on the turn and won a massive pot [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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