re-post: How big of a puss am I?

[cantsitstillbr]

it was too late to edit my origional post and the mistake made changes the hand.

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UTG+1 is 12/6

UTG+2 is like 70/12

BB is 16/10

*no reads other than that. Been at the table about one rotation.



Party 3-6

UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, I call in MP with TT, Folded to the BB who calls.

Flop comes T8 5

BB bets, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 folds, I call, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, I call

Turn comes 8

BB bets, UTG+1 calls, I raise, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, I cap it

River comes a 5

BB bets, I call

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How bad is the river call?

[meep_42]

You're behind 2 of 1300ish hands. No stopping with a 4 bet cap.

-d

[crablegs33]

bad enough that i want to get in a fist fight with you because of it [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

[bweiser8311962]

yeah. if he's got 88 or 55, well, good for him

[cantsitstillbr]

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bad enough that i want to get in a fist fight with you because of it [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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What hands do you think are likely from the BB?

[Grease]

OK. I'm going to try some analysis here. It's been a while, so tell me how wrong I am. Here is the premise:

Assume: BB is good...

BB leads out on the flop so the PFR will raise and protect his hand, wo what is his most likely "I want to protect my hand" hand? Two pair (most likely top two). If the BB flopped a set, he'd check-raise the flop to trap everyone, then lead the turn.

Turn. BB gets giddy because he just filled up and goes nuts.

River. BB blows his load because he thinks you have the case 8, while he has 8's full of 10's, thinking you have 8's full of 5's.

Thinking this, I raise and cap 100% of the time and get pissed that hand didn't happen live with no cap.

If BB sucks. He would try to slowplay the flop.

If the BB just fastplays a flopped set without thinking of how to maximize his EV, then you're screwed, while this is a valid possibility, I think the first two scenarios are more likely, and you can confidently raise and hopefully cap with the best hand on the river.

[Nick C]

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bad enough that i want to get in a fist fight with you because of it [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

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What hands do you think are likely from the BB?

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Is T8s possible? Would Villain call in the BB with T8o? (I don't know if he would, but I might.)

If Villain is aggressive enough (or thinks UTG+1 would auto-raise the flop with overs), a hand like A8s is possible.

You aren't giving suits. Are pair + flush draw hands possible on the flop?

In any case, though, you have represented a monster hand, and Villain isn't acting like he cares. So there is reason to be concerned on the river.

I would raise, though. And since Villain can't 5-bet, I would cap. If he could 5-bet, though, I would probably just call a 3-bet.

[crablegs33]

i'd take his proposition hand after hand and cap the river every time... and be extremely rich and buy a prettier girlfriend... for the enormous number of times this guy will turn up a single 8 vs. the times he has quads, it's worth the value of capping every single time

[cantsitstillbr]

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i'd take his proposition hand after hand and cap the river every time... and be extremely rich and buy a prettier girlfriend... for the enormous number of times this guy will turn up a single 8 vs. the times he has quads, it's worth the value of capping every single time

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BB plays good--he is definatly a winning player. Why on earth would he 3-bet the flop with a single 8?

BTW I'm not excluding raising the river, I just think there is more to this than 'if you lose to quads you just lose.'

Seriously, what range does the villian have? and what should I do given that range?

BTW I think raising the river and calling a 3-bet would be the correct play.

BTW suits are unimportant. There are no flushdraws on the flop.