Bet this flop oop?

[IMALLIN767]

opponents are unknown. should i bet out?should I be drawing to K hi flush only?
#Game No : 4193402807
***** Hand History for Game 4193402807 *****
$2/$4 Omaha Hi-Lo - Friday, May 05, 18:24:58 ET 2006
Table Table 95192 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: BigOrville ( $98.41 )
Seat 2: thevoice ( $120 )
Seat 4: rolaine65 ( $76.69 )
Seat 5: igotskillz ( $98.16 )
Seat 6: Lopoh ( $63.75 )
Seat 7: Bannor ( $73 )
Seat 8: Davey111111 ( $113.25 )
Seat 9: ScoopIt2Me ( $29 )
Seat 10: PinTheTail ( $115 )
Seat 3: HERO ( $90 )
HERO posts small blind [$1].
rolaine65 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Qd As Tc Kc ]
igotskillz folds.
Lopoh folds.
Bannor folds.
Davey111111 folds.
ScoopIt2Me calls [$2].
PinTheTail folds.
BigOrville calls [$2].
thevoice folds.
HERO calls [$1].
rolaine65 checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 2d, 4c ]
HERO bets [$2].
rolaine65 folds.
ScoopIt2Me raises [$4].
BigOrville calls [$4].
HERO calls [$2].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9d ]
HERO checks.
ScoopIt2Me bets [$4].
BigOrville calls [$4].
HERO calls [$4].
** Dealing River ** [ 7s ]
HERO checks.
ScoopIt2Me checks.
BigOrville bets [$4].
HERO folds.
ScoopIt2Me calls [$4].

[Pnigro]

Terrible calls!!

Not only you're drawing to a non nut flush, but you also have NO chance at low!

All you're doing is drawing to a flush that you're not certain it's going to win if you hit. And if you do hit, all you get is half the pot.

With nut flush draw and 3 or more players in the pot, it would be ok to call these bets.

[IMALLIN767]

I definately need to tighten up and I probably should not have bet out, but from that piont on am I not getting the odds to draw on the flop?(not the turn)

[Pnigro]

The thing is, when you have a hand like A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] , you are looking for a board with high cards and nothing else (maybe one low).

The board of 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] in that case is like having A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in hold'em against 4 players and a flop of 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Remember Omaha 8 is meant to be played after the flop, so you really want a flop that helps your hand.

Flops you are looking for with that hand are flops like:

A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 10 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

7 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]


Notice how those flops look BEAUTIFUL combined with your hand?

With those flops you have so many outs and so much chance of winning the whole pot, THAT is what you're looking for.

I included A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] because not only it assures you that you're drawing to a nut flush, but it's very possible that someone's low got counterfeited! They would need 3-4 or 3-5 in order to keep chasing.

[TxRedMan]

[censored] jose you played this hand like [censored] man.

[censored].

i mean really [censored] bad.

it would have been better if you had just folded out of turn before the action even got back to you.


[censored].


you're playing for half the pot MAYBE.


[censored] fold.

[IMALLIN767]

So I played this bad? JK.
I definately need to quit playing so many tables so I dont do things like this out of reflex due to so much short LHE.
point taken.

[greatwhite]

This is the easiest check/fold I've ever seen.

[jlocdog]

[ QUOTE ]


Not only you're drawing to a non nut flush, but you also have NO chance at low!

All you're doing is drawing to a flush that you're not certain it's going to win if you hit. And if you do hit, all you get is half the pot.


[/ QUOTE ]

Also remember that when a flop comes with all "low" cards, you need to back off a bit as you have minimal chance of scooping most of the time (not talking specifically of this hand where you have ZERO chance). It would be like chasing a straight in Holdem with a three flush on board. Not wise. Live and learn.

[grandgnu]

IMALLIN, your best bet is to move up in limits. The King-high flush is rarely if ever good at the lower limits. But I assure you that if you sit down at my 10/20 and 15/30 games, your King-high flush will be a great drawing hand on an all-low flop.

Please let me know when you plan to play, I'll be sure to have a seat to your left so I can assist you with betting the hand so we can build a big pot for you to win half of! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[IMALLIN767]

Am I picking up some sarcasm?