64 suited hand

drewjustdrew · #1 01-12-2006, 03:54 PM

I am in cutoff of tournament with large stack (15K with 100-200 blinds w/ 25ante). I get 64s. There are 3 limpers before me, I limp as well. The button raises all-in for 1800. Everyone folds back to me. So it's 1600 more to go for a 3125 pot. Should I make the call?

I guess I am more concerned with how often I should put the button on an overpair vs 2 overcards in this situation.

IIRC we were near the money if that makes a difference in your thinking. Not for me so much, but for if it affects the button's decision to go all-in.

MLG · #2 01-12-2006, 04:13 PM

If he can have AK/AQ, and he can, then you have to call. Oh well.

Gary07 · #3 01-12-2006, 04:20 PM

You have 225 invested and he could easily have an overpair, so why not just fold, unless you can definitely put him on overcards fold.

jlocdog · #4 01-12-2006, 04:21 PM

Has he been playing tight and getting blinded down to his shortstack or did he get involved in a pot to put him in that situation? I ask because if he has been waiting for "a hand" and than he finally raises after 4 limpers, he must know he is more likely to get called. Thus I would put him on a real hand. I say that because than you can rule out the fact that he is not putting in with something lik 98s thinking that he is probably live to a call and has a hand that will fair well (as well as well can be) to AK,AQ, and so on. My expirience has been that people shy away from AQ,AJ,A10 after a bunch of limpers in the respect that they don't come over the top as much as a hand like 88. They figure if your limping than you most likely don't hold a pair higher than 77. Your a 4-1 against an overpair, and 60-40 against AKs or something similiar. 48 ways to make PP of 77-AA. Countless ways to make 60-40 hand. With no read on players style you might as well flip a coin. I probably call and bless the suckout feature in our lovely game.

drewjustdrew · #5 01-12-2006, 04:24 PM

He was fairly tight. No recent beat.

drewjustdrew · #6 01-12-2006, 04:25 PM

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You have 225 invested and he could easily have an overpair, so why not just fold, unless you can definitely put him on overcards fold.

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225 invested does not matter. Do not think this way ever at the poker table.

jlocdog · #7 01-12-2006, 04:29 PM

Ask yourself if you would come over the top of 4 limpers with out a PP or AK. Is AQ or AJ strong enough to make your stand with knowing you will get called by atleast one spot if not more?

drewjustdrew · #8 01-12-2006, 04:44 PM

why are you so sure you will be called with a 9x BB raise? My raising requirements would be very wide, but would include all pocket pairs and many Ax hands, possibly through AT because I would rather face only one opponent than many, but ideally just picking up the dead money.

I cannot speak for others, which is a reason for asking. If AK and AQ are your only all in hands besides pocket pairs, I would think my fold is correct or very close. 32 overcard hands vs 48 pocket pair hands 77 - AA.

jlocdog · #9 01-12-2006, 04:50 PM

more than 32 overcard hands. You need to take into consideration that AJ for example has 16 ways of making it. Multiply that by every 2 card combo that is larger than yours. Because everyone is getting 2-1 on the prospect. And after one person calls than the next person is offered 3-1 and so on....

jlocdog · #10 01-12-2006, 05:03 PM

33 combination of hands that have a rank higher than 6 and are not pocket pairs. 16 ways to make each combination hand for 528 ways of facing 60-40. like I said...countless