discipline and value

[CamelZoo]

i found this hand interesting and complex, id love to hear comments on all streets

havent played yet in 06 til tonight, realized i had a couple of nl200 buyins on party, fired up nl200 6max, and less than ten orbits in this hand comes up

after 50 or so hands im 30/15, villain to my right is 20/5 ish. it seems every time ive been in a pot it's against him, and he's been repeatedly folding to my cbets when coincidentally i have been actually having the goods but ive only shown down 3 times thus far, only the goods. anyways, here's the hand.

***** Hand History for Game 3357422144 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, January 12, 03:48:50 EDT 2006
Table Table 64890 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 4: HERO ( $368.85 )
Seat 3: VILLAIN ( $211.20 )
Seat 1: ( $196.35 )
Seat 2: ( $23 )
Dealt to HERO [ K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ]
utg calls [$2].
VILLAIN raises [$8].
HERO raises [$20].
fold fold fold fold
VILLAIN calls [$12].
** Flop ** [ 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ] ~$40
VILLAIN checks.
HERO bets [$35].
VILLAIN calls [$35].
** Dealing Turn ** [ J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
check check
** Dealing River ** [ 6 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ] ~$120
VILLAIN checks.
HERO ? Villain has 120 left, I cover

Do ppl fire here on turn, and if so are you putting your stack in against a player who you're fairly confident thinks you are either fos or is waiting for a spot to play back at you w/ or w/o the goods?

i feel like a [censored] for not being able to have any kind of grasp on his hand, and dont know how much credit to give him. is he capable of checking a flush/boat on the river? and if i fire on river am i able to lay down to a c/r? squeezing value out of hands like this when i am ahead would help me out big time. id be interested in/appreciate any other lines here.

[Hoopster81]

bet the turn, fold to a raise

[CamelZoo]

how much of a bet? we're not that deep

[Ghazban]

PF reraise is too small-- $30 is about pot-sized. If you make it $30, there's $65 there on the flop and you get it in by potting the flop and putting in the rest on a non-club turn. Your way, on the turn there's $115 in the pot and $165 left in his stack so its a lot harder to get it in good (potting leaves so little you have to call it on the end even if an ugly card comes, overbetting will only get called when you're beat, checking gives a free card that you don't want to give).

[ahnuld]

If I reraised preflop, yes I fire on turn and now the river. He may have QQ JJ TT, but of course JJ has you [censored]. And wtf is with that preflop reraise. 25 at least, and I prefer 30.

[Ghazban]

I should also add that if I reraise AK with 100BB stacks, I'm basically telling myself I'm willing to go to the felt with TPTK. If I get outflopped or if he has AA to my pair of kings with an A kicker, good for him.

[CamelZoo]

pf advice taken. it was one of those nitty tables where there was tons of limping and not too much aggression. big raises tended to scare ppl, and instead of doing what i did i prob. should have exercised better table selection.

given my crappy pfr and checked turn, how are you proceeding on riv?

(edit OP: villain had 160ish left not 120 on riv)

[Ghazban]

I don't know; I've never gotten to a river like this. That's a copoput, but its true. I probably check it behind but I think that's terribly weak. Betting and folding to a raise despite the awesome pot odds is probably better.

[nrinker]

Hmmm, to me it looks like qq-77. Your re-raise was tiny (not trying to give you more [censored] about it) so he is calling with any pp to try and bust your implied odd giving ass.

I really don't think he checks the river to you with a boat or flush, and I think you have him beat and I think you should bet half the pot (and i think that the villain calls you with 88-qq for a half pot bet on this river pretty frequently).

[Big_Jim]

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big raises tended to scare ppl

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This is a very good thing when you have AK.