NL25 - Top straight on drawy board

[fabadam]

Here I make my straight on the turn, but the board also 3-flushes.
/UTG is 24/7/2.6, MP is 67/5/1.4. Hero is semi-LAGgy (26/20/3.8.


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saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">MP ($30.57)</font>
Hero ($38.56)
SB ($26.24)
BB ($27.70)
<font color="#C00000">UTG ($40.38)</font>

Preflop: Hero is Button with 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1</font>, MP calls $1, Hero calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($4.10) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $4</font>, MP calls $4, Hero calls $4, BB folds.

Turn: ($16.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero ... ???

[gharp]

Bet. There's a very good chance you have the best hand here and you may get called down by top pair or an overpair. You do not want to see the fourth [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] come for free so just bet and hope for the best.

If you face a big re-raise you can think about folding, though it seems odd that UTG wouldn't keep betting if he had the flush and MP wouldn't have bet if he had it too.

[Pyromaniac]

what's an appropriate size bet here? Pot-sized? More? Less? How much to charge for someone looking for that fourth [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]?

Pot is $16.10, and stacks on the turn are

UTG ($35.38)
MP ($25.57)
Hero ($33.56)

[MrWookie]

Well, the bare minimum to protect your hand is 2/3 pot. I think to size your bet properly, you need to ask if you're committed, either right now, or if no [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] falls on the river. If you are, I'd bet closer to a PSB now. If you don't think any of these guys would c/r you or push a brick river w/o a flush, letting you fold, then 2/3 pot should be better with the intention of pushing a non-club river if no one tells you you're beaten.

[tyler_cracker]

grunch

i would pot the turn. we're basically never getting c/r'd, and i want to make it expensive for A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]x or K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Kx to draw.

[Sam Spade]

I check behind here. Are you committed to the pot? Who is more likely to get broke by checking? What about betting? If we bet 1/2 pot we are committing 1/3 of our stack and we commit ourselves.

What is UTG's range? JJ-AA, AKs, AK, and possible AQs. UTG bets strong on the flop representing a TPTK, an overpair, or a set. If he is tricky enough he might also make a strong continuation bet w/ AK [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP could have just about anything.

Be ready for the bet that is coming from UTG on the river. You induced this bluff, so be prepared to call at least a 1/2 pot bet.

[Sam Spade]

I like the idea of aggression in position, but what if UTG wakes up and bets 1/2 pot on river? I get lost here. If I am UTG and make a flush on the turn, I might check to an aggressive player and trap MP into overcalling. I could then lead the river on a non club and get paid off by both players.

Yes, I do have some monsters under the bed.

[fabadam]

OK, I'll continue, making this a bit of a playalong:

Hero bets 9.50, UTG calls, MP pushes.

Easy fold now?

[Sam Spade]

Wow. This is a terrible spot. What can we beat here? A set and 2 pair? MP aggression factor says he is pretty passive. I fold and watch UTG fold too. Good bye 1/3 of our stack. I think this is why pot control here is good. Either way, we got the information that we wanted.

[Pyromaniac]

hmm.

MP pushes b/c he's got a crushing monster? or b/c he's pot committed at this point?

when the action gets to MP, there's $35.10 in the pot. If he calls, it would be 44.60 in the pot and he'd have 16.07 left behind on the river. So even a 1/3 pot bet on the river will put him all-in at that point, anyway. And if he's calling this turn bet, he's staying for a showdown at the river.