Check behind turn?

Mozart · #1 10-25-2007, 06:41 PM

Villian is unkown, in another hand he called my flopraise down with AJo on a low card board. Don´t look at my preflop play [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Full Tilt Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
6 players
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Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises, Button folds, SB 3-bets, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.5SB, 3 players)
SB bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6.25BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6.25BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 8.25BB

istewart · #2 10-25-2007, 06:47 PM

I'd bet the turn. Dunno why you'd possibly bet the river if you checked the turn.

Tryptamean · #3 10-25-2007, 06:56 PM

iso raising preflop is very marginal, but I hope you have at least a little info on UTG1 before you do that.

I think bet/folding the the turn is best. The pot is pretty big and he usually will have a lot of outs. If he can c/r semi-bluff or bluff the turn that is pretty ballsy, and I don't think that happens often enough to call down.

Your river bet is really really bad as played.

Mozart · #4 10-25-2007, 06:59 PM

I don´t think my river bet is that bad, because a pair of queens are the nuts on the river.

If i check behind the turn i have 5 outs to beat AK. If i bet and he raises i have to fold.

Tryptamean · #5 10-25-2007, 07:07 PM

acutally thinking aobut it more, the only hands that really want a free card are AJ/AT/A7 assuming his 3betting range is pretty normal. maybe check is good

Oink · #6 10-25-2007, 07:24 PM

Against a tricky player I'd rather check turn call river than bet/fold turn check river.

I also disagree that the river bet is bad. Given the action I would guess that hero has the best hand almost always and will be looked up by lower pp's.

Off course he might c/r Ax here but most players would just bet out such a hand given the turn action

Mozart · #7 10-25-2007, 07:25 PM

I think he would bet the river with a K or A after the flop and turn action.

Cobretti · #8 10-25-2007, 06:57 PM

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I'd bet the turn. Dunno why you'd possibly bet the river if you checked the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]I think the turn check is fine. If he has AK he is c/r you. If he has a pp he is likely folding. But, with a check behind you can induce a bluff on the river or you can get a river call if he checks and you bet. However, if he will call you down with lots of hands then you should bet the turn. The downside to checking is that you may be giving him a free draw. But, he is likely drawing to very few outs.

When the A comes off I think you must check the river. With a A,K,Q on the board he is not very likely to call you with anything that you can beat.

Gurravasa · #9 10-26-2007, 05:47 AM

Looks perfect to me. I like the river bet, he might call with 88-JJ. There aren't many hands that beat you that he wouldn't bet river with. When he checks river the only hand that he could have that you don't beat is KJs. Easy valuebet on river.

Apanage · #10 10-26-2007, 06:25 PM

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Looks perfect to me. I like the river bet, he might call with 88-JJ. There aren't many hands that beat you that he wouldn't bet river with. When he checks river the only hand that he could have that you don't beat is KJs. Easy valuebet on river.

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This can just be a valuebet against the poorest online players.
What decent player calls river with 88-JJ getting 7.25:1.
What can he ever put you on that he thinks that he beat.Maybe 88-99.
If you get called here by a TAG you´re losing 90% of the time.