Too Much Action on Turn?

x2ski · #1 08-04-2007, 07:03 PM

Villain called me out in this hand, claiming that he couldn't believe I capped the turn. I felt fine about it.

Villain is a 27/20/2 $3/$6 regular

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
4 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (4 players) x2ski is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG raises, x2ski 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7.67SB, 2 players)
UTG checks, x2ski bets, UTG raises, x2ski calls.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5.83BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, x2ski raises, UTG 3-bets, x2ski caps, UTG calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (13.83BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, x2ski calls.

Results:
Final pot: 15.83BB

A few hands later (same Villain):

Absolute Poker
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $3/$6
4 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (4 players) x2ski is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG raises, x2ski 3-bets, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7.67SB, 2 players)
UTG checks, x2ski bets, UTG raises, x2ski calls.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5.83BB, 2 players)
UTG bets, x2ski raises, UTG 3-bets, x2ski caps, UTG calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (13.83BB, 2 players)
UTG checks, x2ski bets, UTG calls.

Results:
Final pot: 15.83BB

Obviously, his comment in the previous hand didn't affect how I would handle the situation in future hands, but perhaps I DID give too much action?

Carmine · #2 08-04-2007, 07:47 PM

I haven't seen this name post in quite awhile.

I'm fine with the cap in both hands. The second being easier than the first.

I'm curious what others here think of Villian's river lead in the first hand if he is holding:

AA
KK
77/66
AK

yourface · #3 08-04-2007, 09:03 PM

villain should c/r river if he has a very good hand in hand 1. I don't think that hero should ever be checking behind something that he capped on the turn. hero likely makes a crying call with everything if he gets checkraised but probably won't raise his 2pair hands.

vs some bad players b/3b gets more money in that spot though

milesdyson · #4 08-04-2007, 09:24 PM

cmon you gotta post screen names!

sharpie · #5 08-04-2007, 09:47 PM

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villain should c/r river if he has a very good hand in hand 1.

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Yea I think villain's river bet in hand 1 is alot worse than Hero's turn cap, which isn't even bad.

If you give him A7/A6/76s vs 77/66 on the turn you're a favorite, if he'll lead the river that's even more reason to cap the turn.

x2ski · #6 08-05-2007, 12:30 AM

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cmon you gotta post screen names!

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PM sent.

Scary_Tiger · #7 08-05-2007, 12:49 AM

Both are super.

Zach6668 · #8 08-06-2007, 09:32 AM

I 3-bet the flop in both cases.

For some reason I tend to get most of my aggression out on the flop most of the time. Especially when I'm OOP, unlike these hands...

Someone explain to me if/why this is less +EV.

Thanks.

x2ski · #9 08-06-2007, 03:40 PM

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I 3-bet the flop in both cases.

For some reason I tend to get most of my aggression out on the flop most of the time. Especially when I'm OOP, unlike these hands...

Someone explain to me if/why this is less +EV.

Thanks.

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OOP, I'm going ba'nuts as well, but when Villain check-raises the flop OOP, he's gonna fire the turn 100% of the time, allowing me to raise and get some extra value.

Zach6668 · #10 08-06-2007, 05:21 PM

Yeah ok. I tend to wait to raise the turn when I am in position. I do mix it up in both cases though, depending on villain, board texture, etc. Obv you can't do it the same everytime.