Two Plus Two Newer Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Newer Archives > Internet Gambling > Internet Bonuses
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-12-2006, 08:11 AM
HiddenOuts HiddenOuts is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Misclicking away my bankroll
Posts: 249
Default Clearing Bonuses with Roulette instead of BJ

How much EV do you lose by clearing a bonus with Roulette instead of BJ? I never really played BJ before (well not according to "proper" strategy at least) so I think it would potentially be worth it to just play something like roulette instead if I wasn't sacraficing very much EV. So is it ok to clear via roulette, or some other super easy game that I don't have to pay too much attention to?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-12-2006, 09:10 AM
RikaKazak RikaKazak is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Absolute Poker:hacker\'s paradise
Posts: 5,535
Default Re: Clearing Bonuses with Roulette instead of BJ

most places don't count roullette betting as wagering requirements for casino bonuses (actually, I think all don't)
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-12-2006, 09:36 AM
playersare playersare is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Spare parts for 25 years!
Posts: 3,836
Default Re: Clearing Bonuses with Roulette instead of BJ

most casinos don't allow roulette for bonus clearing. even if they do, you are losing A LOT of EV vs. blackjack, to the point where the bonus becomes mathematically worthless.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-12-2006, 11:10 AM
1huskerfan 1huskerfan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 372
Default Re: Clearing Bonuses with Roulette instead of BJ

Many casinos do not allow roullette because whores will bet both red and black to clear the bonus faster. This does not change the EV of the bonus and some have software that will not allow these types of wagers.

The blanket statement that roullette is -EV couldn't be more wrong. Once you get down to the smaller Casinos, they only count certain games as a % of your WR. If BJ counts 10% and Roullette counts 50%, which is the case in many I have whored recently, the EV(BJ)<EV(Roullette).

he HA on French roullette is 1.35%, while the HA is about .6%. SInce the HA on roullette is less than 5x the HA on BJ, roullette is greater EV because of the inflated WR when playing BJ.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-12-2006, 11:35 AM
ImsaKidd ImsaKidd is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: CHOO CHOO
Posts: 11,074
Default Re: Clearing Bonuses with Roulette instead of BJ

[ QUOTE ]
Many casinos do not allow roullette because whores will bet both red and black to clear the bonus faster. This does not change the EV of the bonus and some have software that will not allow these types of wagers.



[/ QUOTE ]

Back when casinos had 10x bonuses, people did roulette (even though Bj was better).

I think the big casinos make a big mistake in disallowing roulette. They could give a 25x bonus and allow people to do red/black on American Roulette (making the bonus -EV). Lots of so-called "bonus abusers" (like OP) would do the bonus and lose $$, so the casino profits. Additionally, us whores can snatch up all the 25x bonuses [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-12-2006, 11:49 AM
MadMat MadMat is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: UK
Posts: 1,015
Default Re: Clearing Bonuses with Roulette instead of BJ

I wouldn't worry about it too much, with all the publicity these bonuses are getting it's not going to be long before the microgaming casinos start moving french roulette into the 10% list [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

Mat
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-12-2006, 11:57 AM
Thremp Thremp is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Free Kyleb
Posts: 10,163
Default Re: Clearing Bonuses with Roulette instead of BJ

Yeah. They're thin EV anyway.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-12-2006, 11:59 AM
1huskerfan 1huskerfan is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 372
Default Re: Clearing Bonuses with Roulette instead of BJ

Thin EV if you grind out the bonus. Most of them you can cash out winnings. Play one hand, double up with their money, press it and cashout. Getting 5:1 on a Baccarrat bet is +EV.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-12-2006, 12:24 PM
Ken_AA Ken_AA is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: NY
Posts: 1,922
Default Re: Clearing Bonuses with Roulette instead of BJ

[ QUOTE ]
Yeah. They're thin EV anyway.

[/ QUOTE ]

But they are sooooo much more fun then grinding bonuses!!!!

(and When I mean grinding bonuses, I mean betting 10 to 25 per hand on BJ)

Ken
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-12-2006, 12:45 PM
HiddenOuts HiddenOuts is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Misclicking away my bankroll
Posts: 249
Default Re: Clearing Bonuses with Roulette instead of BJ

Oh I didn't realize roulette was so -EV, I just started playing french roulette to clear some of the bonuses that have been posted here. Well I guess I will stick to BJ and baccarat then.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:07 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.