15K Gtd. Stars. Bubble decision vs. 2 opps

[GoRedBirds]

I'm at work so I apologize for no HH.

$11 buy-in $15K gtd. on stars last night.
~195 people left. 180 is ITM.
Blinds are 300/600 with a 25(?) ante. Average stack is ~13000.
My stack is ~4,000 after I post the BB.
MP1 makes it 1800 and is called by MP2. Folds to me and I look down at 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. My friend and I disagreed about this one. Any thoughts?

Both opponents have slightly more than the average.

[HitmanHaydon]

I would fold and look to push any two into next unopened pot.

[Mingdu]

I push this and look to triple up heading into the money or go home trying

[Spanga7]

Couple points:
1) I mean no offense, but playing set minded here is absolutely the wrong way to think about the situation. Your implied odds are not even close. You will hit your set 1/8 times on the flop. At this stage in the tournament, sets are not important unless two big stacks are dueling.
2) A stop and go does not work unless you are in earlier position and will act first postflop, which could allow you to make 7s-9s fold or possibly 10s. Raymer made an interesting post about such a play, but this situation does not fit the bill.
3) When it gets close to the money, with relatively large blinds, and a mp raises and someone calls, it is significant. Your stack is not large enough to get them to fold at all, and I think you should try to open raise on another hand.

[GoRedBirds]

Thanks, I folded and busted out somewhere in the 160s. I think that this is best here, although I wanted to see if other options were out there.

[umistboy]

Yeah I would fold too. Too optomistic to think we can bulkly any out here (maybe caller). Even then the OR must have raised again and would have 66 crushed.

Fold and begin to push in next few hands.

[GoRedBirds]

Is a call out of the question here? If my stack is not going to do any damage anyway, Can I set-mine and fold if I miss? I'm pretty sure that I'd back into the money but wouldn't be able to make a serious run with my stack as low as it was (The next pay level was ~140 IIRC).

[Mingdu]

Pushing creates difficult decisions for the other two parties.

If the MP1 calls then MP2 can push over top ... so he needs to make a tough choice. MP2 didn't reraise so was likely wanting to see a flop.

You are likely ahead of a lot that call you here.

[Rocco]

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Is a call out of the question here? If my stack is not going to do any damage anyway, Can I set-mine and fold if I miss? I'm pretty sure that I'd back into the money but wouldn't be able to make a serious run with my stack as low as it was (The next pay level was ~140 IIRC).

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A call is out of the question. You don't have the stack size to get enough implied odds on a set. Furthermore, your stack isn't deep enough to stop'n'go. Folding here is probably not wrong. If you push, they will get sweet odds to call, so don't think they'll ever fold. I fold this!

[registrar]

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Is a call out of the question here? If my stack is not going to do any damage anyway, Can I set-mine and fold if I miss? I'm pretty sure that I'd back into the money but wouldn't be able to make a serious run with my stack as low as it was (The next pay level was ~140 IIRC).

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A call is out of the question. You don't have the stack size to get enough implied odds on a set. Furthermore, your stack isn't deep enough to stop'n'go. Folding here is probably not wrong. If you push, they will get sweet odds to call, so don't think they'll ever fold. I fold this!

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I don't think a stop and go is that bad here. Hero's remaining stack is large enough that it puts OR in a very difficult spot on the flop, with a big stack flat-caller behind.

All the options are pretty grim but I would guess that the EV of pushing pre-flop and pushing any flop are more or less the same.

Calling pre-flop and then folding is the only really bad option.