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Old 08-29-2007, 04:01 PM
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Default Re: NL 50 Good spot to dubble barrel?

looks fine
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Old 08-29-2007, 04:05 PM
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Default Re: NL 50 Good spot to dubble barrel?

What do we do if we miss our draw? c/f? Or do we fire again?
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Old 08-29-2007, 04:10 PM
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Default Re: NL 50 Good spot to dubble barrel?

You could make a small bet vs a non-diamond river to try to make ace or king high (missed draw)fold.
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Old 08-29-2007, 04:17 PM
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Default Re: NL 50 Good spot to dubble barrel?

I dont like it

Flush draw aint folding, queen aint folding
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Old 08-29-2007, 04:17 PM
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Default Re: NL 50 Good spot to dubble barrel?

Ok so Villian called and this was the river, good place to 3rd barrel or just give up? Discuss please interested in to hear you thoughts about the river.

Daci: calls $7.50
*** RIVER *** [2s 5d Qd 7c] [5s]
xeanatic: bets $15
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Old 08-29-2007, 04:57 PM
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Default Re: NL 50 Good spot to dubble barrel?

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I dont like it

Flush draw aint folding, queen aint folding

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I think this hand is vv straightforward unless you have a read that villain has less of a hand than above like a lot.
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Old 08-29-2007, 05:04 PM
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Default Re: NL 50 Good spot to dubble barrel?

I like it, but I would bet close to pot size on turn to make flush draws fold.

Have you considered double bubbling him, instead of dubble barreling.
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Old 08-29-2007, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: NL 50 Good spot to dubble barrel?

I've just seen Gelford's video and he advocates betting 1/2 pot with good draws on the turn. The reason is that it discourages floaters from bluffing and makes a lot of bad hands fold, we don't mind getting minraised that much, we can give up more easily if we miss and remain the aggressor in case we should hit.

What do you think about it?

btw: That river bet is really spewy imo.
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Old 08-29-2007, 05:45 PM
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Default Re: NL 50 Good spot to dubble barrel?

I am folding pf here 6-8 is a little weaker than i like
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Old 08-30-2007, 01:07 AM
DemonOfTheFall DemonOfTheFall is offline
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Default Re: NL 50 Good spot to dubble barrel?

So you picked up outs, but you have to discount a couple of them, at least in an implied odds sense since unknown villains almost never pay off flush hitting rivers unless they have 2p+. You have 10bb invested OOP against an unknown and you want to start double barreling? Double barreling at micro stakes imo is very, very, image dependent and you have none here in villain's eyes. Poker is a game of incomplete information and here you are, wading head first into uncharted territory. Why make the game so difficult for yourself?

I don't see how anyone can give a quantitative answer here on villain's range and start surmising that he has a Q or a FD well enough for us to get into even thinking about 3rd barrelling. Surely being able to bet these spots with AQ/AA/KK with no history is why micro stakes are so profitable. Why are we bluffing?

I think it's burning money but I'm nittier than most. I'll admit that the majority of regulars at NL50 are nitty enough to fold hands like QJ/KQ to a river 3rd barrel but are you willing to risk 30BB to find out?

Sorry if I didn't offer any actual hand analysis but I feel the majority of my leaks stem from putting myself in situations where no play is really +EV or is so marginally +EV and high variance it's not worth it. I strongly think this is one of them. Would love to hear some of the more experienced posters' thoughts.
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