The fish need validation.

[miketurner]

I was playing in a $10.00, 27 player S&G the other day. The blinds were somewhere around 50/100. BB checked/raised all in on a flush draw w 86s in his hand. The button called with AK, no pair, no draw. Both players were medium stacks. The BB hit his flush and busted the other guy. Then he typed “nice call idiot.”

Well, I always have to sharkscope a trash talker, especially one who ch/ra all in on a weak draw. It was no surprise that he was down $1064 in 500ish games. Now, of coarse he was right about the guy calling (it was a huge overbet)... but that is kinda irrelevant, in my opinion.

I should have stayed out of it, but I couldn’t help but to quote his stats and tell him that he should wait to become a winning player before he calls a player names. Another player (one who is up $3000ish) joined me.

The losing player told us that those stats mean nothing because all the pros say that they were losing players before they hit their first “big win” to establish a bankroll.

Now, I don’t know if that is true or not... but what a smart thing to say! I suppose it is VERY +EV to tell the fish that they are just one win away from becoming a pro like them. By validating the suckers denial, you keep them coming back for more. Thank you, pros of the game, for keeping those deposits coming! I learned something that day, & it will now become an important part of my game... validating the fish.

[DeuceSeven]

The BB was actually correct. Dude with AK was lucky to only be a 55% dog. Most of the time trash talkers are the one's who suck.

[PJo336]

Haha i trash talk after making a bad play to be ironic...most people dont get it

[SuperPokerJedi]

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Haha i trash talk after making a bad play to be ironic...most people dont get it

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nice work! [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

[killphilNI]

You're both idiots for calling out a losing player's SS stats at the table DUCY?

[miketurner]

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You're both idiots for calling out a losing player's SS stats at the table DUCY?

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Yes. 4 idiots in that story. But at least I learned something, and I’m sure someone else can learn what I did from the story. Maybe not you, but someone.

In fact, that is pretty much the moral of the story. For someone as smart as you, your reading comprehension skills are kinda lacking.

[runout_mick]

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I should have stayed out of it, but I couldn’t help but to quote his stats and tell him that he should wait to become a winning player before he calls a player names. Another player (one who is up $3000ish) joined me.

The losing player told us that those stats mean nothing because all the pros say that they were losing players before they hit their first “big win” to establish a bankroll.

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Wow.

I found myself in an eerily similar (as in 95% identical) situation today. Word for word, even down to his justification for being a losing player. I NEVER act this way at the table, but there was something about the arrogance of fishycoach that pushed me over the edge.

I immediately regretted it, and continue to feel like an ass.

Strange coincidence...

[paddymcg21]

Sharkscope is a good indicator but in some ways the fish is right. SS only covers sng's if im not mistaken, and if you're a cash table or MTT player then it can take a good few tourneys/buyins before you make significant payouts. When I started playing online I had $20 and gradually built it up to around $200 in around 2 months. Then I went through a long period where I just could not cash (MTTs) even though I felt I was playing well and getting my money in good. At this point i was playing $3-$5 MTTs (I know very small stakes but im a poor student). Then all of a sudden I had a big result in a $3 tourney (came 2nd and won $200 ish). Then soon after I came 11th in a $60,000 guaranteed (which id won a satellite for $4 to get my seat) and bagged $1,100. Now i'm sure most people would see this as insignificant money but to me it's not. The fact that at the beggining I was making hardly anything then in a short space of a few tournies I'd upped it from less than $200 to around $1,500 shows that MTT players' BRs can be volatile. Surely it can take a lot of loss before you gain? p.s. Im not boasting as i dont see myself as a fantastic player, at the same time I'm no fish. My poker winnings have been sufficient to support my student lifestyle somewhat (been playing just over a year) but I wouldn't call myself a "winning player" in the true sense. Yet after around 2 months and 100 or so MTTs my profits were tiny.

[miketurner]

I see your point, but 500 S&G’s at a pretty consistent downward pace (as shown by graph) is a pretty solid indicator. I don’t think that this player could not pull off a miracle win in a big $ tourney, but I don’t think that in the long run, he would be able to stop making deposits. He will continue to play badly and prolly lose even more because he got “a taste.”