I donked, but bad call? (new player)

[Eric Yang]

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lol listen guys you never throw away QQ here ever!
if your doing this you all have a serious leak
even if the guy is a rock calling with 6-5 odds id good
please know what your talking about before posting advice to new players!

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come on man. QQ gets ridiculously dominated vs KK and AA and is only a slight favorite over AKo. Although I agree that there are some maniacs who will push with JJ or even any pocket pair (thinking that they are flipping against AK), these guys are dumbasses. Which means that you need to get reads against them to know they're dumbasses. Against decent players if you would push QQ preflop every time, then it's you who has the leak.

[ama0330]

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lol listen guys you never throw away QQ here ever!
if your doing this you all have a serious leak
even if the guy is a rock calling with 6-5 odds id good
please know what your talking about before posting advice to new players!

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lol

[JROK777]

At higher buy ins, stacking off w/QQ+AKo is standard. People 4 bet light in those games. The players are good and aggressive and have a bigger 4 betting range. At the micros, a 4 bet means AA-KK usually. Fold at the micros unless you think villians range is bigger.

[Poker's Busmalis]

Yes, I have played almost 22K hands on UltimateBet NL10 now and I don't think I have seen any full stack 4-bet (or pf allin) with worse hand than AA/KK. It's very rare.

[hendrix23]

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At higher buy ins, stacking off w/QQ+AKo is standard. People 4 bet light in those games. The players are good and aggressive and have a bigger 4 betting range. At the micros, a 4 bet means AA-KK usually. Fold at the micros unless you think villians range is bigger.

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That's what I'm thinking. Maybe getting advice from a NL5000 player isn't the best right now since his competitions habits are vastly different from mine.

Thanks guys.

[Keitan]

Agreed, QQ is always trouble when stacks get in preflop at these limits. Without a solid read and avg stacks LET THEM GO.

[members_only]

Anyone else not like the 4-bet pre-flop?

[hendrix23]

sorry, I'm a little new to the lingo. by 4 bet, do you mean you don't like my re-raise to $3.70, or his push?

[RichAM]

um, this is shorthanded NL forum ... you need to go to the limit forum

[members_only]

4-bet means your re-raise to $3.70

He 3-bet you when he made it $1.50 (The first 'bet' being the blinds, and the second being your original raise)