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#21
10-23-2007, 02:08 AM
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Re: JJ in 3-bet pot. interesting river spot.
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[ QUOTE ] But that doesn't help Hero because it's too thin to call based on that. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not saying I disagree...just pointing out some logical inconsistencies going on in this thread. [/ QUOTE ] On 2+2? Inconceivable. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] 
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#22
10-23-2007, 02:11 AM
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Re: JJ in 3-bet pot. interesting river spot.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] if villain is any good, he's only showing up with AK or better. this would be a dumb bluff [/ QUOTE ] If everyone here is saying fold, it can't be THAT dumb. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Not sure what's to understand. How can it be a "dumb bluff" if everybody wants to fold? [/ QUOTE ] Agree. Hero's line looks extremely weak here and I would put Hero on exactly 88-jj after the turn check. With that said I fold river for sure without any 3 betting history with villian.
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#23
10-23-2007, 02:12 AM
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Re: JJ in 3-bet pot. interesting river spot.
i'm pretty shocked everyone wants to fold this so quickly.
2 things: 1. few 200nl regs have the discipline to check a big hand here on the turn. 2. my hand looks really weak, and it's possible villains hand has 0 showdown value and is taking a shot at the pot.
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#24
10-23-2007, 02:14 AM
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Re: JJ in 3-bet pot. interesting river spot.
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i'm pretty shocked everyone wants to fold this so quickly. 2 things: 1. few 200nl regs have the discipline to check a big hand here on the turn. 2. my hand looks really weak, and it's possible villains hand has 0 showdown value and is taking a shot at the pot. [/ QUOTE ] I never said fold quickly. In fact, I call in this spot much more than I probably should. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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#25
10-23-2007, 02:20 AM
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Re: JJ in 3-bet pot. interesting river spot.
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i'm pretty shocked everyone wants to fold this so quickly. 2 things: 1. few 200nl regs have the discipline to check a big hand here on the turn. 2. my hand looks really weak, and it's possible villains hand has 0 showdown value and is taking a shot at the pot. [/ QUOTE ] His stats indicate a highly skilled player, and as I said, he has a bluff frequency here that still makes it a bad call for you. It's just a crappy spot once the K falls, unfortunately.
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#26
10-23-2007, 02:27 AM
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Re: JJ in 3-bet pot. interesting river spot.
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His stats indicate a highly skilled player, and as I said, he has a bluff frequency here that still makes it a bad call for you. [/ QUOTE ] he's prob decent. but 'highly skilled.' come on, you can't give someone that label based on stats. and i don't see how we can assign a bluff frequency here? i feel like your making things up now.
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#27
10-23-2007, 02:35 AM
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Re: JJ in 3-bet pot. interesting river spot.
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[ QUOTE ] His stats indicate a highly skilled player, and as I said, he has a bluff frequency here that still makes it a bad call for you. [/ QUOTE ] he's prob decent. but 'highly skilled.' come on, you can't give someone that label based on stats. and i don't see how we can assign a bluff frequency here? i feel like your making things up now. [/ QUOTE ] WTF, dude? You said 30%. How many of his hands are worse than yours, and how often does he bluff them in this spot? That's the number you need. I happen to think it's less than 30%. As far as the stats, there are a very small % in my database with those stats, and I hate them all, so whatever. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]
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#28
10-23-2007, 02:38 AM
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Re: JJ in 3-bet pot. interesting river spot.
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] His stats indicate a highly skilled player, and as I said, he has a bluff frequency here that still makes it a bad call for you. [/ QUOTE ] he's prob decent. but 'highly skilled.' come on, you can't give someone that label based on stats. and i don't see how we can assign a bluff frequency here? i feel like your making things up now. [/ QUOTE ] WTF, dude? You said 30%. How many of his hands are worse than yours, and how often does he bluff them in this spot? That's the number you need. I happen to think it's less than 30%. As far as the stats, there are a very small % in my database with those stats, and I hate them all, so whatever. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] apologies if I came off as a douche in my previous post. fair enough if you don't think he's bluffing enough for me to call. thanks for your input.
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#29
10-23-2007, 02:47 AM
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Re: JJ in 3-bet pot. interesting river spot.
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apologies if I came off as a douche in my previous post. fair enough if you don't think he's bluffing enough for me to call. thanks for your input. [/ QUOTE ] No worries, I'm just kinda grumpy. Too much 2+2 for me today, time to go watch a DVD. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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