Is this a +EV or even sane call?

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Full Tilt Poker Game #1989852000: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (14894106), Table 5 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:30:09 ET - 2007/03/14
Seat 1: hero (3,235)
Seat 2: ratman65 (3,220)
Seat 3: lookin for work (3,300)
Seat 4: dbteetime (2,310)
Seat 5: villain(1,055)
Seat 6: job2do (4,610)
Seat 7: dahrmadog27 (4,545)
Seat 8: IamUrHuklbry (6,960)
Seat 9: glenn_n (2,580)
lookin for work posts the small blind of 25
dbteetime posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [8s 9h]
villaincalls 50
job2do folds
dahrmadog27 folds
IamUrHuklbry folds
glenn_n folds
hero calls 50
ratman65 calls 50
lookin for work calls 25
dbteetime checks
*** FLOP *** [3s Ad 8d]
lookin for work checks
dbteetime checks
villainchecks
hero bets 100
ratman65 folds
lookin for work folds
dbteetime folds
villaincalls 100
*** TURN *** [3s Ad 8d] [7d]
villainbets 905, and is all in
hero calls 905


I find myself making these types of calls a lot.

I'm not sure if they're + or -EV in the long run.

What do you guys think, was my call +/-EV, sane or insane?

[ItalianFX]

What is he calling your flop bet with? And what hands push the turn?

Sounds like an Ace to me. I fold.

[PsYcOsNiPeR]

i would say that by him CALLING your BET (its harder to call than it is to bet) on the flop, i would put him on an ace or a diamond draw and then he hit on the turn, and he shoved for 20 BB's and u called...id say u were behind from the beginning..

also...89o...fold preflop?

[IWntErinNess]

fold preflop. fold the flop. it's not even close postflop, even against shorty.

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What is he calling your flop bet with? And what hands push the turn?

Sounds like an Ace to me. I fold.

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I'm not so sure an Ace fits the bill here. Ace good kicker with all those limpers, surely he would raise PF.

Ace with a weak kicker... maybe? But wouldn't a raise be then justified especially with 2 suits on the board?

I really see a paired ace being shoved by a short stack.

On the turn my thinking was that he was using the diamond draw for his fold equity. I mean, if he had the flush wouldn't this be a check-jam situation? Surely he would want to extract as many chips from me as he could.

Also, why would he jam the turn with an Ace but not the flop?

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fold preflop. fold the flop. it's not even close postflop, even against shorty.

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1st level of this MTT and the table was rather passive. I was on the cut off and was fairly confident I could see a cheap flop after the UTG limper. An assumed 3:1 on my money... hey, they were mid and connected :-)

On the flop I had 3 checks and hit mid-pair. I didn't put anyone on a big ace and wanted equity for my mid-pair which I thought was the best hand.

On the turn the Villain check calls my flop bet but then pushes the turn? I didn't believe him hence the possibly insane call.

[Sherman]

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What is he calling your flop bet with? And what hands push the turn?

Sounds like an Ace to me. I fold.

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I'm not so sure an Ace fits the bill here. Ace good kicker with all those limpers, surely he would raise PF.

Ace with a weak kicker... maybe? But wouldn't a raise be then justified especially with 2 suits on the board?

I really see a paired ace being shoved by a short stack.

On the turn my thinking was that he was using the diamond draw for his fold equity. I mean, if he had the flush wouldn't this be a check-jam situation? Surely he would want to extract as many chips from me as he could.

Also, why would he jam the turn with an Ace but not the flop?

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I gotta agree with you here. Given that villains line makes no sense, I gotta believe he is FOS a good portion of the time here.

[ZJ123]

fold fold fold.

You beat absolutely nothing, He has an Ace or Flush here a lot. What did he call your flop bet with??? Heck he could have an 8 with a better kicker..

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Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls t50 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t75)</font>, 4 folds, Hero calls t50 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t125)</font>, Button calls t50 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t175)</font>, SB calls t25 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t225)</font>, BB checks.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t250, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t100</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls t100 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t350)</font>.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t450, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG is all-in t905</font>, Hero???

[mariachiinc]

+EV... = no
sane call = no