Is this a +EV or even sane call?
 

Full Tilt Poker Game #1989852000: $10 + $1 Sit & Go (14894106), Table 5 - 25/50 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:30:09 ET - 2007/03/14
Seat 1: hero (3,235)
Seat 2: ratman65 (3,220)
Seat 3: lookin for work (3,300)
Seat 4: dbteetime (2,310)
Seat 5: villain(1,055)
Seat 6: job2do (4,610)
Seat 7: dahrmadog27 (4,545)
Seat 8: IamUrHuklbry (6,960)
Seat 9: glenn_n (2,580)
lookin for work posts the small blind of 25
dbteetime posts the big blind of 50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hero [8s 9h]
villaincalls 50
job2do folds
dahrmadog27 folds
IamUrHuklbry folds
glenn_n folds
hero calls 50
ratman65 calls 50
lookin for work calls 25
dbteetime checks
*** FLOP *** [3s Ad 8d]
lookin for work checks
dbteetime checks
villainchecks
hero bets 100
ratman65 folds
lookin for work folds
dbteetime folds
villaincalls 100
*** TURN *** [3s Ad 8d] [7d]
villainbets 905, and is all in
hero calls 905


I find myself making these types of calls a lot.

I'm not sure if they're + or -EV in the long run.

What do you guys think, was my call +/-EV, sane or insane?

Re: Is this a +EV or even sane call?
 

What is he calling your flop bet with? And what hands push the turn?

Sounds like an Ace to me. I fold.

Re: Is this a +EV or even sane call?
 

i would say that by him CALLING your BET (its harder to call than it is to bet) on the flop, i would put him on an ace or a diamond draw and then he hit on the turn, and he shoved for 20 BB's and u called...id say u were behind from the beginning..

also...89o...fold preflop?

Re: Is this a +EV or even sane call?
 

fold preflop. fold the flop. it's not even close postflop, even against shorty.

Re: Is this a +EV or even sane call?
 

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What is he calling your flop bet with? And what hands push the turn?

Sounds like an Ace to me. I fold.

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I'm not so sure an Ace fits the bill here. Ace good kicker with all those limpers, surely he would raise PF.

Ace with a weak kicker... maybe? But wouldn't a raise be then justified especially with 2 suits on the board?

I really see a paired ace being shoved by a short stack.

On the turn my thinking was that he was using the diamond draw for his fold equity. I mean, if he had the flush wouldn't this be a check-jam situation? Surely he would want to extract as many chips from me as he could.

Also, why would he jam the turn with an Ace but not the flop?

Re: Is this a +EV or even sane call?
 

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fold preflop. fold the flop. it's not even close postflop, even against shorty.

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1st level of this MTT and the table was rather passive. I was on the cut off and was fairly confident I could see a cheap flop after the UTG limper. An assumed 3:1 on my money... hey, they were mid and connected :-)

On the flop I had 3 checks and hit mid-pair. I didn't put anyone on a big ace and wanted equity for my mid-pair which I thought was the best hand.

On the turn the Villain check calls my flop bet but then pushes the turn? I didn't believe him hence the possibly insane call.

Re: Is this a +EV or even sane call?
 

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What is he calling your flop bet with? And what hands push the turn?

Sounds like an Ace to me. I fold.

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I'm not so sure an Ace fits the bill here. Ace good kicker with all those limpers, surely he would raise PF.

Ace with a weak kicker... maybe? But wouldn't a raise be then justified especially with 2 suits on the board?

I really see a paired ace being shoved by a short stack.

On the turn my thinking was that he was using the diamond draw for his fold equity. I mean, if he had the flush wouldn't this be a check-jam situation? Surely he would want to extract as many chips from me as he could.

Also, why would he jam the turn with an Ace but not the flop?

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I gotta agree with you here. Given that villains line makes no sense, I gotta believe he is FOS a good portion of the time here.

Re: Is this a +EV or even sane call?
 

fold fold fold.

You beat absolutely nothing, He has an Ace or Flush here a lot. What did he call your flop bet with??? Heck he could have an 8 with a better kicker..

Re: Is this a +EV or even sane call?
 

Full Tilt Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t25/t50
9 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls t50 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t75)</font>, 4 folds, Hero calls t50 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t125)</font>, Button calls t50 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t175)</font>, SB calls t25 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t225)</font>, BB checks.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t250, 5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets t100</font>, 3 folds, UTG calls t100 <font color="aaaaaa">(pot was t350)</font>.

Turn: 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (t450, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">UTG is all-in t905</font>, Hero???

Re: Is this a +EV or even sane call?
 

+EV... = no
sane call = no