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#31
09-06-2007, 03:01 PM
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Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
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[ QUOTE ] Yeah I've occasionally seen TT/JJ/AQ/air here before. Uncommon yes, but it still should definitely be included in his range. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. I sigh and call unless I'm real sure he's folding AK. Enough people know about squeezes now that I have to think Villain thinks Hero is light. Whoever said you shouldn't risk your stack for a 2% edge must have bankroll issues, and it's more than 2% anyway for the above reason. [/ QUOTE ] I've never seen someone push air after a raise a call and a reraise from 3 diff players. And I didn't say I fold for a 2% edge I said I'd fold when a 2% edge is the best case scenario. More often than not you see AA/KK here. 
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#32
09-06-2007, 03:10 PM
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Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
1 vote for call
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#33
09-06-2007, 03:18 PM
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Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
I don't know how to put this but for those that saying call I really think the best you can hope for is a coinflip here from this guy and usually you are an 80% dog.
Do you want to get your money in hoping its a race? That seems really newbish and tournament player like but its the honest truth here.
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#34
09-06-2007, 03:43 PM
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Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
Dude, you're still in a four-way pot. Stove results are incomplete because they didn't include the other two players in the hand. It's possible the original raiser has you beat. Easy fold.
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#35
09-06-2007, 03:54 PM
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Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
If you are with qq here and all of u are wanting to fold this shows how profitable bb shove is with Ax
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#37
09-06-2007, 04:05 PM
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Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
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If you are with qq here and all of u are wanting to fold this shows how profitable bb shove is with Ax [/ QUOTE ] I don't think doing this w/ Ax vs an unknown is very profitable especially where the original raiser is left to act and is probably unknown as well.
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#38
09-06-2007, 04:08 PM
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Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
thats fine. I was just maling a claim [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#39
09-06-2007, 06:21 PM
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Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
umm...even if the other two guys folded I think this may still be a fold.
The pot odds in Toni's post have been miscalculated, haven't they? Pot is $248 (8 + 8 + 32 + 200) $168 to call (200 - 32) 168/(248+168) = 168/416 = 40.38% pot odds, not 37.5% as previously stated 39.8% Stove odds so now it's slightly -EV. Still calling? And jeecross points out that stove results are unweighted. If you give more weight to pushing with AK here, then maybe call. I personally don't; I think AK is much more likely to call than push here, especially since he's in position, and AA/KK is much more likely to push than call here. fold.
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#40
09-06-2007, 06:59 PM
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Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
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umm...even if the other two guys folded I think this may still be a fold. The pot odds in Toni's post have been miscalculated, haven't they? Pot is $248 (8 + 8 + 32 + 200) $168 to call (200 - 32) 168/(248+168) = 168/416 = 40.38% pot odds, not 37.5% as previously stated 39.8% Stove odds so now it's slightly -EV. Still calling? And jeecross points out that stove results are unweighted. If you give more weight to pushing with AK here, then maybe call. I personally don't; I think AK is much more likely to call than push here, especially since he's in position, and AA/KK is much more likely to push than call here. fold. [/ QUOTE ] there is NOOOOO way that ak calling here would ever be a good play.
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