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Imrahil 09-06-2007 10:53 AM

200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
 
Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $1/$2 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

Hero (SB): $328.05
BB: $200.00
UTG: $125.65
MP: $195.95
CO: $172.60
BTN: $193.95

Reads: <font color="blue">Villain is p0ck3tp3ar and is 25/17/1.8 over 400 hands. Don't think I've played with him before and he just came to the table. Don't think he knows anything about me.</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">MP raises to $8.00</font>, CO folds, BTN calls $8.00, <font color="red">Hero raises to $32.00</font>, <font color="red">BB raises all-in to $200.00</font>, Hero?

Think his range is like KK+, AK. His shove could weigh it towards AK though so not sure.

jeccross 09-06-2007 10:57 AM

Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
 
Fold. Don't think the dead money is anywhere near enough to make up for the times you're behind AA,KK. I lieks shoving here more and more with AA,KK as people always put you on AK.

flameboy 09-06-2007 11:00 AM

Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
 
$170 for $250 in a 2:3 shot against his range. Smells like a fold to me, even if you move his range a little closer to AK.

Toni Cogin 09-06-2007 11:12 AM

Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
 
call:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 60.143% 59.92% 00.22% 172384116 626394.00 { KK+, AKs, AKo }
Hand 1: 39.857% 39.64% 00.22% 114030168 626394.00 { QQ }

168/448=0.375

+ he also could be doing this with QQ and air some % of the time

Fonkey123 09-06-2007 11:12 AM

Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
 
Usually call here.

Jay Riall 09-06-2007 11:15 AM

Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
 
Yeah call given the stove results. Also its great for you if he only occasionally does this with JJ/TT/air, plus AA/KK is usually more likely to 4bet rather than shove.

jeccross 09-06-2007 11:26 AM

Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
 
Stove results are unweighted. I never do this with AK. It's also a very different situation to original preflop raiser pushing, this is never a bluff.

Jay Riall 09-06-2007 11:30 AM

Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
 
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Stove results are unweighted. I never do this with AK.

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Just because you don't doesn't mean other people don't.

jeccross 09-06-2007 11:39 AM

Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
 
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Stove results are unweighted. I never do this with AK.

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Just because you don't doesn't mean other people don't.

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True but it's marginal at best (but -EV in my view). Why risk a whole stack with no/v little edge?

Toni Cogin 09-06-2007 11:52 AM

Re: 200NL- Squeeze QQ and BB shoves
 
what? its obvious +EV according to pokerstove results and ive given him tightest pushing range (if you consider villain is reg which seems to be according to his stats/pro nickname). i cant see any reg not pushing AK there in BB


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