NL50: AA vs double paired board

[ranka]

AF: 0.36 and this kind of player bluffing? I dont think so. Fold it.

[GrumpyB]

OK, my standard openning line, "I'm new and know sod all so don't listen to me." But with figures like that is villain really *smart* enough to check the river to suck you into a check raise for extra value?

You bet half the pot and my guess is he's heard that a half-pot bluffs only needs to work out one time in three to be +EV. He ain't having any of that so he doubles your raise to show he can't be pushed around!

I'd call and not be surprised to see anything up to and including 44. But then I loose all my money that way.

[AlexB182]

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OK, my standard openning line, "I'm new and know sod all so don't listen to me." But with figures like that is villain really *smart* enough to check the river to suck you into a check raise for extra value?


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That was part of my thinking, too.

[Keyser112]

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I put him on a middle pair 7s 8s or 9s. i'd bet the turn and ready to go all in.

as you played, i'd still go all in on the river.

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Don't think it's ever good to move AI or call an AI with two board pairs holding just an overpair. What do other think?

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i agree. and as i've said in other posts, even if you are getting great odds here you are more often then not beat. this is a classic NL 50 re raise where the villain wants you to call so raises a ridiculously small amount

[Keyser112]

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folding is impossible with those odds.

which hands would he call preflop with a 6 or a 4? or maybe he has 3s?

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i think you are right. but i'd still fold. lol

[Johnes Benjamin]

A minraise on the river is almost always bad news but he seems bad enough that he could be vbetting enough hands that you have beat. I'd call but this is very donk dependent

[Fiasco]

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I put him on a middle pair 7s 8s or 9s. i'd bet the turn and ready to go all in.

as you played, i'd still go all in on the river.

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Yuck yuck yuck yuck. Why would you do that? 9s arent going to call an all in. A boat will. this all in idea sounds bad to me.

[swainy]

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folding is impossible with those odds.

which hands would he call preflop with a 6 or a 4? or maybe he has 3s?

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i think you are right. but i'd still fold. lol

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villain has a vpip of 55... i'm sure we can think of plenty of hands that a loose fishy type player would have that include a 6 or a 4... any SC, he may even play most non-suited connectors, any ace or suited ace......

generally, i wouldn't want to call a raise on a double paired board with an overpair, all u can beat is a naked ace. In this situation however, u have 5-1 on your money which is the only reason i would call.

[Specialwon]

I think you have to either bet the turn or check behind on the river. I understand it's a horrible board, but you've achieved nothing by the river except to give him a free card, how did that help? He's even given you the chance to check it down for free.

As played, you are beat here more or less always. Obviously you don't want to make a habit of folding rivers for little bets, but I could definitely find a fold here unless I had seen him do the ol' minraise before and got caught bluffing. These players are worth watching closely I think because they tend to be pretty predictable.

As for him not being "clever" enough to pull some fairly simple stunt, if he was clever enough to obtain a credit card then he qualifies on that score.

[xxrod17xx]

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AF: 0.36 and this kind of player bluffing? I dont think so. Fold it.

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60 hands...is not a good sample to make conclusions with.

I think hero calls on the river, this very well may be a missed FD or a smaller pair. I think there are a lot more hands in the villan's range than most of you guys are giving him credit for. If he has a big hand, make a note and move on...this isn't a huge huge pot.