Get Your Calculators Out!

[emerson]

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Close to a turn value checkraise no?

-DeathDonkey

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Close but no cigar. 5:1 against the flush, you may get 4:1 if all call, and it is not a nut flush. Someone else could be drawing to a bigger flush. If it were a nut flush draw combined with the gut shot I think you can raise. That would be 12 outs vs 34 non-outs. Good bet with 4 callers.

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We are also open ended.

-DeathDonkey

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Correct. Sorry. I like your idea. I think you'll get four callers. I think you are better than 4 to 1 to win this pot.

[Gabe]

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dont lie. you fold that all day long all year long.

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Nope, I've been calling here the whole millennium.

[Joe Tall]

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dont lie. you fold that all day long all year long.

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Mike, it doesn't really matter if you play or fold. Its up to your style of play.

[freewheeler]

Am I the only one who leads out on the turn and hopes to 3bet? There is no way I would fold this hand at any stage prior to the river. I understand about redraws and reverse implied, but I'm still pretty sure we have correct odds to make every one of those calls. But then again, I am a bit of an action junkie.......

[mike l.]

"Mike, it doesn't really matter if you play or fold. Its up to your style of play."

i know. and for justin's style of play it's bad.

[Joe Tall]

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"Mike, it doesn't really matter if you play or fold. Its up to your style of play."

i know. and for justin's style of play it's bad.

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Higher variance.

[Gabe]

I think most would play all pairs and almost any two suited, here.

I’m curious what off-suit cards you guys play in the blinds getting 9 to 1.

[mike l.]

any two suited here against a pf raise and a bunch of cold callers in the worst position in what is likely an aggressive postflop game is a mistake. high variance and minus EV spew. cut it out. ill play pocket pairs here, some decent suited connected hands and that's about it. i guess AQo and maybe AJo if the pf raiser is a tard. anything else is silly spew. you can only gain by throwing hands like 84s away.

[Joe Tall]

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high variance and minus EV spew. cut it out.

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It's high variance but it's not minus EV. Given the size of the pot, it's going to be near neutral EV OOP in a 2/3 structure.

[cgrohman]

I fold the flop facing 2 cold.