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10-20-2007, 04:50 PM
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$10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
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No Limit Holdem Ring game Blinds: $0.05/$0.10 4 players Converter Stack sizes: UTG: $18.36 Button: $10.79 SB: $8.84 Hero: $10.10 Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2 folds, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.3</font>, SB calls. Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($0.7, 2 players) SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $0.8</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $1.6</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero?</font> I know my pf raise was too small. I think it was a misclick or something. Anyway, do I just shove here and not overanalyze? Or is there a different line? Opponent is 26/5/0.53 over 800 hands. All comments appreciated. 
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#2
10-20-2007, 04:55 PM
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Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
You beat 99-QQ, A8, a flushdraw, a straight draw. And only lose to AA or a set. I shove here (and am happy with it).
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10-20-2007, 04:57 PM
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Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
Not really sure why you sligtly overbet the flop.
I prob make it more pf - but only bet .6 into .7. Against a 17/15 who makes a 3x cR ai, I'm prob shoving. In this case he is 26/5/0.53 over 800 hands. I want to say call and maybe call <1/2 psb, but you are prob way behind and the only card that you like is the K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I think a player like this would just CC with a straight/flush draw. You made a strong bet and he isn't worried. If he had a set, I would think he would want to charge you more but he's prob the type to "not chase away his customers." Folding seems weak-tight^2 but you can fold or maybe call one more reasonable bet. Would be interested to hear thoughts. Thanks.
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10-20-2007, 05:01 PM
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Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
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You beat 99-QQ, A8, a flushdraw, a straight draw. And only lose to AA or a set. I shove here (and am happy with it). [/ QUOTE ] You really think a weak guy like this is raising a draw? Obv, calling with A8 and then MR on this board is terrible, but so are his stats. I think you see a made hand more often than not.
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#7
10-20-2007, 05:02 PM
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Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
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Were those datamined hands? How often does he fold his SB and fold to CBs? [/ QUOTE ] Yep, datamined. Is there a stat in PT to show how often someone folds to a cbet? That would be good to know...
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#8
10-20-2007, 05:07 PM
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Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
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Not really sure why you sligtly overbet the flop. [/ QUOTE ] I was 8-tabling and I haven't gotten time to learn/set up AHK yet, so the only button available to me on prima (unless I wanna type in my bets) is "bet pot". [ QUOTE ] Against a 17/15 who makes a 3x cR ai, I'm prob shoving. In this case he is 26/5/0.53 over 800 hands. [/ QUOTE ] So because he's more LP, you're saying there's a much higher chance I'm behind here, correct? [ QUOTE ] Folding seems weak-tight^2 but you can fold or maybe call one more reasonable bet. [/ QUOTE ] The problem, and my reasoning, was this: if I'm gonna fold, fine. But given the strength he has just shown, if I'm gonna do *anything* here then shoving >> calling because either way all my chips are going to the middle. A passive player just sandbagged my flop bet, which says he probably won't slow down and give me a cheap showdown. Thus, a shove *seemed* fine to me here, because like I said, if I'm gonna continue at all, then my chips are probably goin in, so I may as well put some pressure and hopefully get a bit of fold equity out of the situation. Thoughts? Thanks for the comments.
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#9
10-20-2007, 05:19 PM
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Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
when you shove you will only be called by sets, AA, and maybe JJ/QQ , call flop and evaluate turn.
The usual thing they do with a set is check turn and then overbet the pot at the river
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#10
10-20-2007, 06:08 PM
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Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
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[ QUOTE ] Were those datamined hands? How often does he fold his SB and fold to CBs? [/ QUOTE ] Yep, datamined. Is there a stat in PT to show how often someone folds to a cbet? That would be good to know... [/ QUOTE ] This may be news to you but you really need this stat in your hud. If you only have a few stats I would use vpip/pfr/hands/cb/fold to cb. I have stats everywhere on my screen. You might want to add fold to turn cb and fires turn cb as well.
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