$10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
 

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.05/$0.10
4 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $18.36
Button: $10.79
SB: $8.84
Hero: $10.10

Pre-flop: (4 players) Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
2 folds, SB calls, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $0.3</font>, SB calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($0.7, 2 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $0.8</font>, <font color="#cc0000">SB raises to $1.6</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero?</font>

I know my pf raise was too small. I think it was a misclick or something.

Anyway, do I just shove here and not overanalyze? Or is there a different line?

Opponent is 26/5/0.53 over 800 hands.

All comments appreciated.

Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
 

You beat 99-QQ, A8, a flushdraw, a straight draw. And only lose to AA or a set. I shove here (and am happy with it).

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All day long.

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Not really sure why you sligtly overbet the flop.

I prob make it more pf - but only bet .6 into .7.

Against a 17/15 who makes a 3x cR ai, I'm prob shoving.

In this case he is 26/5/0.53 over 800 hands.

I want to say call and maybe call &lt;1/2 psb, but you are prob way behind and the only card that you like is the K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

I think a player like this would just CC with a straight/flush draw.

You made a strong bet and he isn't worried.
If he had a set, I would think he would want to charge you more but he's prob the type to "not chase away his customers."

Folding seems weak-tight^2 but you can fold or maybe call one more reasonable bet.

Would be interested to hear thoughts.
Thanks.

Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
 

Were those datamined hands?

How often does he fold his SB and fold to CBs?

Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
 

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You beat 99-QQ, A8, a flushdraw, a straight draw. And only lose to AA or a set. I shove here (and am happy with it).

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You really think a weak guy like this is raising a draw?
Obv, calling with A8 and then MR on this board is terrible, but so are his stats.

I think you see a made hand more often than not.

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Were those datamined hands?

How often does he fold his SB and fold to CBs?

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Yep, datamined. Is there a stat in PT to show how often someone folds to a cbet? That would be good to know...

Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
 

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Not really sure why you sligtly overbet the flop.

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I was 8-tabling and I haven't gotten time to learn/set up AHK yet, so the only button available to me on prima (unless I wanna type in my bets) is "bet pot".

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Against a 17/15 who makes a 3x cR ai, I'm prob shoving.

In this case he is 26/5/0.53 over 800 hands.

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So because he's more LP, you're saying there's a much higher chance I'm behind here, correct?

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Folding seems weak-tight^2 but you can fold or maybe call one more reasonable bet.

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The problem, and my reasoning, was this: if I'm gonna fold, fine. But given the strength he has just shown, if I'm gonna do *anything* here then shoving &gt;&gt; calling because either way all my chips are going to the middle. A passive player just sandbagged my flop bet, which says he probably won't slow down and give me a cheap showdown. Thus, a shove *seemed* fine to me here, because like I said, if I'm gonna continue at all, then my chips are probably goin in, so I may as well put some pressure and hopefully get a bit of fold equity out of the situation.

Thoughts?

Thanks for the comments.

Re: $10NL - KK Against Flop Raise - Shove here?
 

when you shove you will only be called by sets, AA, and maybe JJ/QQ , call flop and evaluate turn.
The usual thing they do with a set is check turn and then overbet the pot at the river

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Were those datamined hands?

How often does he fold his SB and fold to CBs?

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Yep, datamined. Is there a stat in PT to show how often someone folds to a cbet? That would be good to know...

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This may be news to you but you really need this stat in your hud.

If you only have a few stats I would use vpip/pfr/hands/cb/fold to cb.


I have stats everywhere on my screen.

You might want to add fold to turn cb and fires turn cb as well.