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Old 09-15-2007, 01:04 PM
Fadook Fadook is offline
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Default There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

Don't know what it is with me and TT in the SB [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. Anyway, don't have to many hands on Villain, but he seems a bit loose, reasonably aggressive preflop, and likes to donk and even double donk TP. Button is very loose and quite aggressive.
.05/.1 game, 5-handed.
Hero in SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Preflop: Villain raises, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero treys, BB folds, Villain caps, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop (13 SB): 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Villain bets, BTN folds, Hero calls.

Turn (7.5 BB): 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Villain bets, Hero calls.

River (9.5 BB): K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Villain bets, Hero?

Comments on all postflop streets appreciated.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:10 PM
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

Raise the flop for value/information, making your villains pay for any kind of draw they might be on -- or really you'll find out just how far behind you are here as well, probably. Since you didn't raise the flop and don't know where you really are in the hand, I suppose just calling down to showdown your pocket tens is fine.. though all we are really beating here is AKs/AKo in all liklihood, and even then they just hit on the river.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:19 PM
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

We don't beat AK after the river.

r/c flop, fold turn unless a T or 8 hits.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:20 PM
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

How agressive is villain preflop ?

You said that he was reasonably agressive, but have you seen him cap pf without having a premium hand. ie QQ+ or AK ?

Without that read, I am inclined to think that you are beaten on the river.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:25 PM
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

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How agressive is villain preflop ?

You said that he was reasonably agressive, but have you seen him cap pf without having a premium hand. ie QQ+ or AK ?

Without that read, I am inclined to think that you are beaten on the river.

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First time I've seen him cap preflop, but it's only been about 20 hands or so. The river does put me behind his entire range however. Is it worth raising either the flop or turn?
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:26 PM
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

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How agressive is villain preflop ?

You said that he was reasonably agressive, but have you seen him cap pf without having a premium hand. ie QQ+ or AK ?

Without that read, I am inclined to think that you are beaten on the river.

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First time I've seen him cap preflop, but it's only been about 20 hands or so. The river does put me behind his entire range however. Is it worth raising either the flop or turn?

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sure - depending on how aggro the guy is with overs
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:31 PM
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

Which street though? I'm thinking about a free showdown raise on the turn, as I'm sure I can fold to a 3-bet. I think it would be harder to do so on the flop as treying with AK unimproved is not unusual, and the pot would be very large by that point.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:57 PM
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I'm thinking about a free showdown raise on the turn, as I'm sure I can fold to a 3-bet.

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Are you trying to gain an extra bet from AK calling a turn raise, or else folding and thereby protecting your hand ?

You have position in this hand, and I think that AK might still call a river bet from you unimproved if you dont raise the turn.

However, I doubt whether AK ui would call a river bet if you had raised the turn. So, I dont think that raising the turn would be likely to gain an extra bet if your hand was best and held up.
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Old 09-15-2007, 01:37 PM
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Is it worth raising either the flop or turn?

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I dont think so.

You dont know whether he has overcards or a higher pair, so I would just call down.

If the river had been a blank, then I would have bet if checked to, otherwise just call again.
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Old 09-15-2007, 06:08 PM
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Default Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)

Raise flop, b/f turn and check behind on the scary river?

It will save you 1/2 BB when you get rivpwnd by AK, you can safely fold to further agression and it gets as much as possible in when you are ahead.

information and value hand in hand.
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