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Fadook 09-15-2007 01:04 PM

There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)
 
Don't know what it is with me and TT in the SB [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. Anyway, don't have to many hands on Villain, but he seems a bit loose, reasonably aggressive preflop, and likes to donk and even double donk TP. Button is very loose and quite aggressive.
.05/.1 game, 5-handed.
Hero in SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Preflop: Villain raises, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero treys, BB folds, Villain caps, Button calls, Hero calls.

Flop (13 SB): 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
Villain bets, BTN folds, Hero calls.

Turn (7.5 BB): 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Villain bets, Hero calls.

River (9.5 BB): K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Villain bets, Hero?

Comments on all postflop streets appreciated.

wcsherry 09-15-2007 01:10 PM

Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)
 
Raise the flop for value/information, making your villains pay for any kind of draw they might be on -- or really you'll find out just how far behind you are here as well, probably. Since you didn't raise the flop and don't know where you really are in the hand, I suppose just calling down to showdown your pocket tens is fine.. though all we are really beating here is AKs/AKo in all liklihood, and even then they just hit on the river.

nightwood 09-15-2007 01:19 PM

Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)
 
We don't beat AK after the river.

r/c flop, fold turn unless a T or 8 hits.

Fantam 09-15-2007 01:20 PM

Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)
 
How agressive is villain preflop ?

You said that he was reasonably agressive, but have you seen him cap pf without having a premium hand. ie QQ+ or AK ?

Without that read, I am inclined to think that you are beaten on the river.

Fadook 09-15-2007 01:25 PM

Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)
 
[ QUOTE ]
How agressive is villain preflop ?

You said that he was reasonably agressive, but have you seen him cap pf without having a premium hand. ie QQ+ or AK ?

Without that read, I am inclined to think that you are beaten on the river.

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First time I've seen him cap preflop, but it's only been about 20 hands or so. The river does put me behind his entire range however. Is it worth raising either the flop or turn?

Point Blank 09-15-2007 01:26 PM

Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
How agressive is villain preflop ?

You said that he was reasonably agressive, but have you seen him cap pf without having a premium hand. ie QQ+ or AK ?

Without that read, I am inclined to think that you are beaten on the river.

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First time I've seen him cap preflop, but it's only been about 20 hands or so. The river does put me behind his entire range however. Is it worth raising either the flop or turn?

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sure - depending on how aggro the guy is with overs

Fantam 09-15-2007 01:30 PM

Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)
 
I dont think that you need to raise the flop, once you become heads up.

It will become more expensive to see a showdown if you are behind to JJ+, and you should not mind your opponent continuing to bet into you with OC's.

Dont fold the turn, when you could easily have the best hand.

CrMenace 09-15-2007 01:31 PM

Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)
 
I don't think we need to raise the flop for information. We know villain has what he thinks is a super premium hand ... And probably is since op didn't mention an exceptional capping range. I'm pretty happy with this line and I usually fold river unless villain has capped 99 or worse.

Fadook 09-15-2007 01:31 PM

Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)
 
Which street though? I'm thinking about a free showdown raise on the turn, as I'm sure I can fold to a 3-bet. I think it would be harder to do so on the flop as treying with AK unimproved is not unusual, and the pot would be very large by that point.

Fantam 09-15-2007 01:37 PM

Re: There must be a better line... (TT shorthanded again)
 
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Is it worth raising either the flop or turn?

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I dont think so.

You dont know whether he has overcards or a higher pair, so I would just call down.

If the river had been a blank, then I would have bet if checked to, otherwise just call again.


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