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#1
10-24-2007, 03:41 PM
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10-20 Foxwoods hand against typical 10-20 old Fox.
Late Friday night 10-20 game. Table is playing tight passive pf and aggressive after the flop. Villain in the bb is an old (65ish) 10-20 regular wearing a baseball hat.
I have AJo on the cutoff. 3 limpers, I raise, bilnds and limpers call. Hooray! flop: J 9 4. I think it was rainbow. checked to me, I bet, sb, bb, and 1 limper call. Turn: 8. SB checks. BB bets. limper calls. and I ? RESULTS: Drama not needed. I called (as usual). sb folded. River: a J. BB bets, limper folds. Wonderful, the rock isn't scared when the scariest card came. I call and he turns over Q10s. comments? 
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#2
10-24-2007, 03:51 PM
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Re: 10-20 Foxwoods hand against typical 10-20 old Fox.
Don't post results. You're getting 10:1 or so on the turn which is PLENTY as you'll see 98o and J8 etc. which you have six outs+ to counterfeit.
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#3
10-24-2007, 03:53 PM
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Re: 10-20 Foxwoods hand against typical 10-20 old Fox.
Rocks are so rocky sometimes. I guess you could fold the turn but I don't because he may have 89 and then you have 8 outs. With that logic you could then fold the river because rocks don't bet when they just got outdrawn. In reality I call down in this spot as well, though I could fold the river if the J doesn't come.
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#4
10-24-2007, 04:38 PM
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Re: 10-20 Foxwoods hand against typical 10-20 old Fox.
Tough one.
Well, pot is $200 on the turn at your action. For his range here from my knowledge of Fox 10-20 rocks, I'd say: Two pair (89,J8,84 even -- he is BB in a multiway pot) QT,T7 Set of 8s Most Fox 10-20 players weak lead when they get there, rather than check-raise (at least IMO). So from that, I'm guessing he got there this street (turn). Getting 10-1, you've got: 8 outs versus turned 2 pairs 89, 84 and 6 outs vs J8 No outs vs the two str8s No outs vs the the set. Mathematically, it seems like a wash, so ugh. I say call turn based on the small chance he tured OE with a hand like JT or something. On river, don't overcall unimproved. You probably shouldn't call unimproved either, but I would, cuz I'm a donkey.
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#6
10-24-2007, 07:16 PM
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Re: 10-20 Foxwoods hand against typical 10-20 old Fox.
thank you. Does anyone advise the more cut-throat apporach of raising the turn to clean up some outs, and then folding to a 3 bet?
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#7
10-24-2007, 11:19 PM
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Re: 10-20 Foxwoods hand against typical 10-20 old Fox.
no, because the only reason we call the turn is that some of the time he has two pair that we can counterfeit -- seems like raising there just charges us extra and then we don't even see the river sometimes.
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#10
10-25-2007, 10:17 AM
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Re: 10-20 Foxwoods hand against typical 10-20 old Fox.
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Turn= Raise. Any more action = fold. [/ QUOTE ] yuck turn = call and re-evaluate river. depending on villian i could fold a lot of river cards.
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