10-20 Foxwoods hand against typical 10-20 old Fox.
 

Late Friday night 10-20 game. Table is playing tight passive pf and aggressive after the flop. Villain in the bb is an old (65ish) 10-20 regular wearing a baseball hat.

I have AJo on the cutoff. 3 limpers, I raise, bilnds and limpers call. Hooray!

flop: J 9 4. I think it was rainbow. checked to me, I bet, sb, bb, and 1 limper call.

Turn: 8. SB checks. BB bets. limper calls. and I ?


RESULTS: Drama not needed. I called (as usual). sb folded.

River: a J. BB bets, limper folds. Wonderful, the rock isn't scared when the scariest card came. I call and he turns over Q10s.

comments?

Re: 10-20 Foxwoods hand against typical 10-20 old Fox.
 

Don't post results. You're getting 10:1 or so on the turn which is PLENTY as you'll see 98o and J8 etc. which you have six outs+ to counterfeit.

Re: 10-20 Foxwoods hand against typical 10-20 old Fox.
 

Rocks are so rocky sometimes. I guess you could fold the turn but I don't because he may have 89 and then you have 8 outs. With that logic you could then fold the river because rocks don't bet when they just got outdrawn. In reality I call down in this spot as well, though I could fold the river if the J doesn't come.

Re: 10-20 Foxwoods hand against typical 10-20 old Fox.
 

Tough one.

Well, pot is $200 on the turn at your action.

For his range here from my knowledge of Fox 10-20 rocks, I'd say:

Two pair (89,J8,84 even -- he is BB in a multiway pot)
QT,T7
Set of 8s

Most Fox 10-20 players weak lead when they get there, rather than check-raise (at least IMO). So from that, I'm guessing he got there this street (turn). Getting 10-1, you've got:

8 outs versus turned 2 pairs 89, 84 and 6 outs vs J8
No outs vs the two str8s
No outs vs the the set.

Mathematically, it seems like a wash, so ugh.

I say call turn based on the small chance he tured OE with a hand like JT or something.

On river, don't overcall unimproved.

You probably shouldn't call unimproved either, but I would, cuz I'm a donkey.

Re: 10-20 Foxwoods hand against typical 10-20 old Fox.
 

Folding a blank river sucks... as would folding the turn.

Re: 10-20 Foxwoods hand against typical 10-20 old Fox.
 

thank you. Does anyone advise the more cut-throat apporach of raising the turn to clean up some outs, and then folding to a 3 bet?

Re: 10-20 Foxwoods hand against typical 10-20 old Fox.
 

no, because the only reason we call the turn is that some of the time he has two pair that we can counterfeit -- seems like raising there just charges us extra and then we don't even see the river sometimes.

Re: 10-20 Foxwoods hand against typical 10-20 old Fox.
 

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Folding a blank river sucks... as would folding the turn.

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Re: 10-20 Foxwoods hand against typical 10-20 old Fox.
 

Turn= Raise. Any more action = fold.

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Turn= Raise. Any more action = fold.

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yuck

turn = call and re-evaluate river. depending on villian i could fold a lot of river cards.