10/20 flop a little bit of everything in multiway pot - Page 3

cmyr · #21 10-29-2007, 10:10 AM

So as pete and others pointed out, this is a hand that plays great against one player but is often in awful shape against two players, sometimes drawing to a 3-out gutshot.

The problem I see with a c/r is that UTG for sure is going to be checking alot of his strong hands to the PFR, and even the PFR himself may check to the button (okay not that often, but it isn't impossible) and so I can't read too too much into those checks. I sort of like the weak-lead line, since if I get a raise and a call I can fold but if I get action in one spot I can commit or bet any turn.

I think the only other line that hasn't been discussed is c/c the flop and pot any turn if it's hu... this is getting a bit fancy, though. Against a very aggro player it might even be correct to c/r (not that there's much $$ left) the turn if he's going to fire a second barrel with weak draws etc that I want in but that might fold.

RoundTower · #22 10-29-2007, 10:14 AM

I think you should check raise anyway, and if both UTG and button have a hand they really want to play against all that action, AND their specific hands have you in very bad shaped (one of them has to have nfd and the other 2pair+) then chalk it up as a cooler or try to hit your gutshot.

sqwisssssss · #23 10-29-2007, 01:23 PM

i'll tell you guys what, this hand has some sort of value in different ways. if its early in the session and you plan on playing for a while, then you can use this hand for a motivation play to show what your willing to go off with. i think if your going to play the hand.......then you got to go all the way.........or fold. one or the other.

i know for a fact that bennyamine would go off with this hand 24/7 and he's considered one of the best, so would hansen.

but then again, they are also the type that you see sitting there "sitting out" and you point your mouse at theyre seat and it shows their name with a "0" underneath it.

not saying its wrong, it just depends on your style and what you are trying to acomplish in the over all picture of the session.

i think guys like larslusak possibly dont go off with this hand because i never see the guy sitting on "0" yet he is also the one who is always sitting at the 300/600 ready to go. you never hear about him with money problems.

this hand is close. this hand is also one of those that you can find yourself in very bad shape with not much invested from the get go.

play at your own risk tolerance.

blopp · #24 10-29-2007, 02:09 PM

I c/r if utg or utg+1 pot, also if button flatcall, if all check to him and he pot, i really need more player info. Im no nit but folding might be best.

sqwisssssss · #25 10-29-2007, 02:22 PM

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I c/r if utg or utg+1 pot, also if button flatcall, if all check to him and he pot, i really need more player info. Im no nit but folding might be best.

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yes, exactly. i agree 100% with both your lines.

luckyjimm · #26 10-29-2007, 03:50 PM

Cymr, I'm sure I saw this hand go down. It was on iPoker, wasn't it?
Can't remember who had what - you're not GothicLolita, are you?

cmyr · #27 10-29-2007, 04:01 PM

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Cymr, I'm sure I saw this hand go down. It was on iPoker, wasn't it?
Can't remember who had what - you're not GothicLolita, are you?

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i'm actually boycotting ipoker until they stop sending me wire transfers in euros and making me pay the [censored] exchange. and no, I'm def. not GothicLolita.

luckyjimm · #28 10-29-2007, 04:48 PM

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Cymr, I'm sure I saw this hand go down. It was on iPoker, wasn't it?
Can't remember who had what - you're not GothicLolita, are you?

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i'm actually boycotting ipoker until they stop sending me wire transfers in euros and making me pay the [censored] exchange. and no, I'm def. not GothicLolita.

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Hahahaha. GothicLolita seems one of the best iPoker PLO players, though yesterday I saw him stack off in position after heavy multiway action holding AA73 with the 7-high flush draw on a flop very much like this.

So what network was this, then?

Perestroika · #29 10-29-2007, 05:16 PM

I lead this for sure.

iggymcfly · #30 10-29-2007, 05:59 PM

If I was playing low-limit passive donks, I'd lead this, but in a 10/20 game, unless you've got a real fishy lineup, I like the C/R. Someone will usually have a piece of this and the hand's much easier to play if you can just shove everything in on the flop rather than leaving yourself with a difficult decision on the turn. Obviously, as Pete stated, if we get too much action after we check this, we can give this up.