[22$] QQ vs. Regualr

Niggel · #1 10-23-2007, 07:57 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t40 (8 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG (t2000)
UTG+1 (t2000)
MP1 (t2280)
MP2 (t3880)
Hero (t1960)
Button (t4080)
SB (t1960)
BB (t1840)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t40, 1 fold, Hero raises to t160, 2 folds, BB calls t120, MP1 folds.

Flop: (t380) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t380) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t160, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t540

BB is a winning regular who knows me as a TAG. Should I fire a c-bet anyways?

sence25 · #2 10-23-2007, 08:03 AM

I prolly call the turn.
This might be a lower pocket pretty often.
And I also think cbet is senseless here.
If he limp/calls KJ, he is not gonna fold now.

Scotty_12 · #3 10-23-2007, 08:58 AM

Its a pretty weak bet, and I would think most winning regs are repopping AA/KK here which would check the flop, do you think he wold be leading AK when he fills? What range would he put you on? JJ+?

I think you can call turn getting over 3-1 and fold to big river agresson, he might just be trying to exploit your flop check and take the t400 for a good price. Checking the flop is a good idea because it gets him to make this play with hands you are ahead of, otherwise you fold the hands with 2 outs and pay the hands that hit their 3/6 outs.

dnord · #4 10-23-2007, 10:41 AM

The limper folded - we're against the BB. (Does that widen his range?)

I c-bet the flop every time. He doesn't know we didn't flop our ace. It makes the turn decision pretty easy if you do that.

RexWoo · #5 10-23-2007, 11:02 AM

Cbetting on the flop here here is pretty bad.

I call the turn and reevaluate on river.

AMT · #6 10-23-2007, 11:30 AM

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Cbetting on the flop here here is pretty bad.

I call the turn and reevaluate on river.

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i dont think its that bad, simply because this is one of those situations where you have a PP, and the 2 worst (and only) overcards in the deck roll off against a player with a likely tight pf calling range. by cbetting flop you either take it down or shut down, always, and the decision doesn't get more complex. It's a situation where I'm willing to turn QQ into a bluff bc he always folds without an ace and he rarely floats, so our cards have lost a lot of hand strength on this board and we can narrow a lot of villains action just based on the read of being a reg. i don't mind checking the flop either of course, I check here a lot but this is a situation where betting flop isnt awful just bc it always plays out cleanly and i dont think you have to worry about getting bluffed.

edit: as played im dumb and didnt see the ace paired, call turn for sure as played.

dj32 · #7 10-23-2007, 11:32 AM

Why is cbetting the flop so bad? Don't we get Kx hands to fold a lot of the time?

sence25 · #8 10-23-2007, 11:33 AM

But why would you put in a cbet which can't win any extra money when you can just call one small bet/fold afterwards with the other line plus get value from worse hands sometimes hereby?
I don't understand.

sence25 · #9 10-23-2007, 11:33 AM

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Why is cbetting the flop so bad? Don't we get Kx hands to fold a lot of the time?

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Someone who limpcalls with Kx is not folding!

dj32 · #10 10-23-2007, 11:40 AM

Villain didn't limp/call - the limper folded. Villain is the BB who called preflop.

I think someone who calls with KJ, KQ, etc. out of the BB will shut down with an A on the flop. AMT put it well - cbetting the flop tells you exactly where you are, making the hand easy.