Ugly spot with QQ in $109

AragornX151 · #1 08-29-2007, 02:48 PM

Button seems to be solid, thinking player. What's your play here?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG (t14145)
UTG+1 (t5000)
MP1 (t6115)
MP2 (t450)
MP3 (t3775)
CO (t1840)
Button (t8203)
Hero (t9530)
BB (t2615)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
4 folds, MP3 raises to t600, 1 fold, Button calls t600, Hero raises to t2200, 1 fold, MP3 raises to t3775, Button calls t3175, Hero calls t1575.

Flop: (t11525) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)

Hero?

ZJ123 · #2 08-29-2007, 03:50 PM

shove. sorry he had AA [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

ZJ123 · #3 08-29-2007, 03:51 PM

acutally c/c allin might be better. but im not folding here. whats is buttons SN?

AragornX151 · #4 08-29-2007, 04:53 PM

It was something with ellipses in it, like "sir...ty", can't remember exactly.

I mean, I did shove, and I'm definitely not a results oriented person. But if the guy doesn't suck, what is his range here? Are we really a better than 3-1 favorite to be ahead?

Maybe this IS 100% standard, and it clearly would be if the button had shown any spewy tendencies, or shown himself to suck. But this player had seemed pretty good, I'd been at the same table the entire tourney.

Also, if I check and he shoves into a dry sidepot, should my thought process be "well, he has TT or JJ one in three times after calling four bets pre despite seeming like a sane, solid player...instacall!"

Maybe it should be, that's why I'm posting here, to get thoughts. But it felt immediately to me like I was ignoring a lot of evidence in front of me by auto-shoving.

adanthar · #5 08-29-2007, 04:54 PM

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shove. sorry he had AA [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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c/f, sorry he had AA

ZJ123 · #6 08-29-2007, 05:05 PM

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shove. sorry he had AA [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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c/f, sorry he had AA

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you really c/f here? i mean i need a strong read that this villian is very good, other wise with 6k left in my stack and 10k in the pot, i cant see myself folding

AragornX151 · #7 08-29-2007, 05:12 PM

The thing is that 6K is still an M of 20, and what hand other than AA and maybe KK makes sense? I just don't know, I mean, I almost feel like I need a read that the guy sucks and likes to spew to put more chips in the pot after that preflop action.

Again, I am NOT results oriented, couldn't care less about results, I'm mostly interested in the thought process here, if it's really a "ZOMG CALL QQ" kinda spot despite the evidence.

Bakes · #8 08-29-2007, 05:45 PM

lol wait it was sir...gfy? i think this guy is a little too loose so i would get it in.

AragornX151 · #9 08-29-2007, 05:55 PM

yes, that was who it was! hmm, he didn't seem it, or at least not stupid-loose (he wasn't rock or anything).

bigballz · #10 08-29-2007, 06:02 PM

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shove. sorry he had AA [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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c/f, sorry he had AA

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you really c/f here? i mean i need a strong read that this villian is very bad, or at least a p5er, because only donks play AA so obviously

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