200 NL - AQs faces flop 3-bet/push

junkmail3 · #1 03-08-2006, 10:20 AM

Villian is relatively unknown. He's been somewhat aggreesive preflop, but I've not seen anything like this post flop:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP1 ($95)
MP2 ($191.95)
MP3 ($351.20)
Hero ($210.40)
Button ($181.05)
SB ($208.75)
BB ($167.90)
UTG ($297.30)
UTG+1 ($295.50)
UTG+2 ($196)

Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $8, 2 folds, MP2 calls $8, 1 fold, Hero calls $8, Button calls $8, 2 folds.

Flop: ($35) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 bets $20, MP2 folds, Hero raises to $60, Button folds, UTG+1 calls $267.50 (All-In), Hero ...

Shajen · #2 03-08-2006, 10:49 AM

I'm guessing overpair trying to get rid of the flush/straight draw.

I'm calling here. I don't really like it, but I have to.

mosuavea · #3 03-08-2006, 10:51 AM

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I'm calling here. I don't really like it, but I have to.

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I agree. While I don't feel 100% great about calling here, I just cannot see laying this down.

Questje · #4 03-08-2006, 11:12 AM

First we calculate the pot odds. Pot size = $35 + $80 + $267.50 = $382.50. So we have to call $207.50 on a pot of $382.50, slightly better than 1:2.

If he has an overpair (KK/AA) or trips we need to make a flush, probably with 9 live outs, odds for that are 1:3

If he has just an underpair (JJ) or semibluffing with two high diamonds, we are a huge favourite. But this might be not that likely. He could have KJ of diamonds also, for a flopped straight and a flush draw.

I think you are a little behind here, because against a straight, trips and overpair you have only 1:3. But I guess I would have called here, TPTK and a nut flush draw...

I would put him on 99/TT for a flopped set.

What did he have?

junkmail3 · #5 03-08-2006, 11:23 AM

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If he has just an underpair (JJ) or semibluffing with two high diamonds, we are a huge favourite. But this might be not that likely. He could have KJ of diamonds also, for a flopped straight and a flush draw.

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The only diamonds I could see him POSSIBLY raising with from that spot are KJd, at which piont, I don't like my spot as much ... but I really doubt he has KJd.

I thought it was a call as well.

If he has AA/KK, I'm about a 53/47 dog.
If he has JJ, I'm a 75/25 favorite.

I didn't calculate a set, but it'd be essentially the same as AA/KK I would assume, since I need the flush to win, but another Q won't help me.

Thanks for the feedback, I'm glad this wasn't a 100% easy call or fold. I called, he had JJ (one diamond) and hit the K on the turn for the straight. I didn't improve.

ChipStorm · #6 03-08-2006, 01:27 PM

Why not just call the flop bet? You have great implied odds to draw, and as turned out to be the case, a reraise leaves you in a tough spot.

Dazen · #7 03-08-2006, 05:50 PM

Implied odds on the flushdraw..?
good one

Raise it up!
I prolly call the ai also...

bilbo-san · #8 03-08-2006, 06:00 PM

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If he has an overpair (KK/AA) or trips we need to make a flush, probably with 9 live outs, odds for that are 1:3

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What am I missing? vs. KK any Q or A will do as well. Vs. AA we have 2 more Qs.

It's unclear to me why we would ever have only 9 outs here vs. AA or KK. If it's K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] you have 13 (8 diamonds, 2 Qs, 3 As).