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Old 08-20-2007, 03:07 PM
mlagoo mlagoo is offline
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Default Annoyingly simple hand v PearlJammer late in FTOPS ME

So I don't have the HH on this computer, but here's the hand.

PearlJammer has just got moved to my table, probably like an orbit or two ago. I've not played with him a great deal before so no real reads other than I guess he's good.

Blinds 2k/4k/500, I start hand with ~140k, PJ covers.

Folds to me in the CO, I make it 11k with AJo. He makes it like 33k straight from the BTN. Folds back to me. Hero does what?
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Old 08-20-2007, 03:42 PM
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Default Re: Annoyingly simple hand v PearlJammer late in FTOPS ME

Does he know who you are?

I believe you have the same name on FTP as Stars, right? So he might know?
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Old 08-20-2007, 03:43 PM
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Default Re: Annoyingly simple hand v PearlJammer late in FTOPS ME

Saw this hand go down. My 4-bet shove range against a "good" player with no additional read (given me in CO and him on Button) is probably JJ+/AQs+/AKo, and starts to include smaller pairs, more aces, and KQs the more laggy a read I have on him.

Assuming he's never 3-bet/folding AK or QQ+, I guess the question is whether he's ever 3-bet/folding JJ/AQ. He's probably 3-betting JJ way more than he is AQ with your stacks, even if you are opening from the CO. Given this, I think it's really close between shoving and folding, but I'd lean towards folding.

Wish we had a better stack for a stop-n-go, because I think the situation is kinda perfect for it, assuming he might call our 4-bet a little lighter than usual since "oh man, he opened from the CO and its online poker, he can't have much."
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Old 08-20-2007, 03:45 PM
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Default Re: Annoyingly simple hand v PearlJammer late in FTOPS ME

Pretty sure this is a fold without any history against PJ.
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Old 08-20-2007, 04:09 PM
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Default Re: Annoyingly simple hand v PearlJammer late in FTOPS ME

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Pretty sure this is a fold without any history against PJ.

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Egg-xactly my thoughts.
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Old 08-20-2007, 04:51 PM
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Default Re: Annoyingly simple hand v PearlJammer late in FTOPS ME

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Pretty sure this is a fold without any history against PJ.

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Old 08-20-2007, 05:55 PM
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Default Re: Annoyingly simple hand v PearlJammer late in FTOPS ME

i think the AK AI versus AK is very relevant in this hand
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Old 08-20-2007, 05:57 PM
WarDekar WarDekar is offline
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i think the AK AI versus AK is very relevant in this hand

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Sounds like it might be - my point was earlier this is just so hugely dependent on his 3-bet range so if he knows who it is or if you're a good player (or if he doesn't know you but you have a relevant hand or two in this event that could influence his opinion) it can effect whether you shove or fold.
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