Manny to the Phillies?

[TheRover]

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j.t snow wtf

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what about him? cant ask for a much better backup 1B

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But why? Is he really much better defensively than Youkilis? Better offensively than Petagine? And for $2 million. I thought average-ish 1Bmen would be an easy thing to find cheaply.

[craig]

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j.t snow wtf

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what about him? cant ask for a much better backup 1B

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But why? Is he really much better defensively than Youkilis? Better offensively than Petagine? And for $2 million. I thought average-ish 1Bmen would be an easy thing to find cheaply.

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If he is just as good as Youk is at 1B then it isn't horrible. Youk is young and can play a lot of games.

craig

[sublime]

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To warn you now, Abreu's fielding is about the same as Manny's.

its not even remotely close to the same.

fielding metrics that i have seen this year:

UZR 2005

manny -57 (park adjusted)
abreu -4

FRAA (baseball prospectus) 2005

manny -13
BA -6

Zone rating 2005

manny .729
abreu .852

right field is also harder to play.

while bobby may be below average, manny is going to go down in history as the worst fielder of this decade (maybe in baseball history, jack?).

abreu > manny

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57 runs sounds like it has to be the worst season ever, fielding. I cannot believe the real cost is nearly that high. Maybe 20, 30 tops.

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OOOPS [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

-47

and i agree, it cant be that bad.

[Hoya]

Position adjusted, Manny is probably the worst fielder in the game, at least among regulars.

[samjjones]

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j.t snow wtf

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what about him? cant ask for a much better backup 1B

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But why? Is he really much better defensively than Youkilis? Better offensively than Petagine? And for $2 million. I thought average-ish 1Bmen would be an easy thing to find cheaply.

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Snow is still one of the top 4 or 5 defensive first basemen in the game. However, when you see that Mientkiewicz only got $800K from KC, its pretty clear that BOS overpaid.

[Dynasty]

I must be blind.

What's the deal supposed to be other than Manny for Abreau?

[sublime]

not that it really means anything, but this rumor has been emphatically denied by both sides. the latest idea (which seems pretty good for both teams, no?) would be manny/clement for abreu/michaels and maybe some cash and prospects evening off the deal. i would be a huge fan of that, and i think it fits philly needs also.

[Jack of Arcades]

manny is sooooo atrocious. lots of butchers in the field, I think this is pretty much the historic "modern era" for butchers, once you factor in the fact that we have [censored]' gloves now. guys like sheffield, bonds with no knees, etc, etc, just can't cover any ground. I'm really not keen on manny, so overpaid and overrated. even if he were to hit the open market right now he'd be overpaid.

[Jack of Arcades]

dude, if I were the sox and I got this deal, I'd be pretty [censored]' stoked. and I *like* Clement.

[craig]

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manny is sooooo atrocious. lots of butchers in the field, I think this is pretty much the historic "modern era" for butchers, once you factor in the fact that we have [censored]' gloves now. guys like sheffield, bonds with no knees, etc, etc, just can't cover any ground. I'm really not keen on manny, so overpaid and overrated. even if he were to hit the open market right now he'd be overpaid.

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What if Manny only DH'ed? Would the runs he creates batting make up for his 0 runs allowed (considering he is negative now)? He is definitely passed his prime. But, even for his age, he is still an OPS machine.

craig