Manny to the Phillies?
 

I know there are a bunch of Sox fans here, so . . .

"I'm back. I had to come out of retirement to post this.

This is basically a done deal with some minor issues to iron out. I would anticipate a press conference later this week.

Abreu will be involved."

http://www.philliesphans.com/phorum/...24&start=0

This guy broke a number of previous Phillies deals well before anyone else did, so there is almost certainly something to this.

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This is a great deal providing the phils dont have to give up too much else.

edit* by too much else im thinking utley/howard/floyd/hamels

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This is a great deal providing the phils dont have to give up too much else.

edit* by too much else im thinking utley/howard/floyd/hamels

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I'm okay with Floyd or Hammels if Clemment can be involved. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

The Phillies definitly need another starter I'm not sure that Franklin can cut it. I'm still like this trade, if it happens.

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This is a great deal providing the phils dont have to give up too much else.

edit* by too much else im thinking utley/howard/floyd/hamels

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it would be the red sox giving somethign else up, not the phillies (well it should be lol, unless a large amount of cash is involved). when you factor in fielding and age, they are pretty much equal (maybe a slight edge to abreu) in terms of worth and bobby A is cheaper.

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j.t snow wtf

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To warn you now, Abreu's fielding is about the same as Manny's. They both are lazy in the field don't hustle and have a tendency to brain fart. Abreu has more speed and is cheeper. I still don't think it will be Manny and Clement for Abreu, there has to be something else involved. I'll bet Michaels is too. Just what would the Red Sox give up to get rid of Manny + a starting centerfielder?

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j.t snow wtf

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what about him? cant ask for a much better backup 1B

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To warn you now, Abreu's fielding is about the same as Manny's.

its not even remotely close to the same.

fielding metrics that i have seen this year:

UZR 2005

manny -57 (park adjusted)
abreu -4

FRAA (baseball prospectus) 2005

manny -13
BA -6

Zone rating 2005

manny .729
abreu .852

right field is also harder to play.

while bobby may be below average, manny is going to go down in history as the worst fielder of this decade (maybe in baseball history, jack?).

abreu > manny

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I've never found a reliable fielding stat. However, I did watch about 80 Red Sox games last year and have been a Phillies fan my whole life. I've watched both field a lot. There is not much of a difference. Just my observation.

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To warn you now, Abreu's fielding is about the same as Manny's.

its not even remotely close to the same.

fielding metrics that i have seen this year:

UZR 2005

manny -57 (park adjusted)
abreu -4

FRAA (baseball prospectus) 2005

manny -13
BA -6

Zone rating 2005

manny .729
abreu .852

right field is also harder to play.

while bobby may be below average, manny is going to go down in history as the worst fielder of this decade (maybe in baseball history, jack?).

abreu > manny

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57 runs sounds like it has to be the worst season ever, fielding. I cannot believe the real cost is nearly that high. Maybe 20, 30 tops.