Fold QQ preflop?

[Buzz-cp]

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cap preflop

c/r flop

c/r turn

c/r river

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[Lunkan]

Maybe some of you did not notice that UTG and CO are really tight passive players.

UTG could certainly raise with many hands that I beat, such as JJ, TT and AQ.

With CO so tight I think he would only 3-bet QQ+ and AK plus maybe JJ.

UTG would certainly only cap it with KK+ and AK (AK this time given his flop play).

So when it comes to me in the small blind, is fold really that bad given the above ranges? If I cap it preflop and UTG calls then what do I know about his hand? If I call and he caps, he probably has KK+/AK.

Please tell me what is wrong with my reasoning.

[Lunkan]

BTW I agree that my postflop play is bad.

[Genz]

I think you are overestimating your opponents and relying too much on stats.

[Bodizapha]

This hand was not played well. You should have definitely raised preflop and then bet on the flop. If you get raised on flop then you have something to think about, but c/c with that flop is not good, you have to be more aggressive.

[Xhad]

OP, how strong are your reads? How long have you been playing against them? Have you seen them do anything exceptionally nitty?

If your reads can be trusted I don't think this line is horrible but if it's based on a small sample of stats they may just have been running bad before.

[kumarshah]

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Both UTG and CO are tight passive players with UTG being really tight passive.

Poker Room skin
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="#cc0000">UTG raises</font>, 5 folds, <font color="#cc0000">CO 3-bets</font>, Button folds, Hero calls, BB folds, <font color="#cc0000">UTG caps</font>, CO calls, Hero calls.

Flop: 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (13SB, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (7.5BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (9.5BB, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Hero calls.

Results:
Final pot: 11.5BB

My plan was to call and see if UTG would cap it. If he did I would c/f the flop unless I spiked my queen. If he did not I would c/r a non AK-flop.

However I got confused when UTG checked the flop so I ended up calling CO down.

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Grunch:
Cap PF.
Raise Flop.

Take it from there.

[dchz]

since you didn't post any reads, i'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt that they are EXTREMELY TIGHT Players, and even then you have more euqity than them against their hands mos tof the time, CAP PRE-FLOP!&gt;?!??!?

[StoneAgeMan]

I find you just get punished again and again for not getting information on these hands - you try and save a small amount early and pay and pay calling down with no idea what's going on - in fact I am glad I saw this post, I'm done with value betting and I'm am going to hammer myself on this for a while.

[Lunkan]

I understand now that I relied to much on my stats (and played horrible as well ...) since after some more hands UTG is classified as slightly loose aggressive. CO is still classified as weak-tight and showed down AA. I was definitely a bit results-oriented when posting as well ...