AQo versus limp/caller on low flop, $20 rebuy

betgo · #1 10-31-2006, 10:15 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button (t13953)
SB (t38081)
BB (t14450)
UTG (t28251)
UTG+1 (t27260)
MP1 (t41107)
Hero (t26099)
MP3 (t24920)
CO (t21608)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t1200, 2 folds, Hero raises to t4800, 5 folds, UTG calls t3600.

Flop: (t10200) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero ???

SuperUberBob · #2 10-31-2006, 10:24 AM

I bet. 7000 is a reasonable bet, maybe more. I would assume that UTG is capable of folding on the flop.

The limp/call preflop seems to be Ax more often than not. Or a really small pair trying to get in as cheaply as possible.

uclabruinz · #3 10-31-2006, 10:25 AM

Check behind.

Sam T. · #4 10-31-2006, 10:46 AM

Readless, I think I'm checking behind . Weak tight, I guess, but I don't much want to get CRed . If the board had any kind of paint, I'd fire away, but people like putting you on overs. If you hit an A or Q or pick up the flush draw, then we can talk.

Then again, I've been getting CRed in this situation a whole lot lately, and I don't like it.

FortunaMaximus · #5 10-31-2006, 10:50 AM

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Check behind.

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betgo · #6 10-31-2006, 08:30 PM

I cbetted. Villain checkraised allin. I said, "Oh ____." I then figure I am getting about the right pot odds against a pp and call. I was actually ahead of pot odds on this flop. You know that's my style.

I am really not sure that I played this wrong. If villain doesn't have a pp, I am ahead on this flop. Because of the shallowness of the money, I may be better off just getting the money in and hoping I am ahead, as I played it. If I know villain has a pp, I guess I can take a free card. Since I have position, checking might be better.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t1200 (9 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Button (t13953)
SB (t38081)
BB (t14450)
UTG (t28251)
UTG+1 (t27260)
MP1 (t41107)
Hero (t26099)
MP3 (t24920)
CO (t21608)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t1200, 2 folds, Hero raises to t4800, 5 folds, UTG calls t3600.

Flop: (t10200) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t7200, UTG raises to t23376, Hero calls t14024 (All-In).

Turn: (t54800) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t54800) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t54800

Results in white below: 
UTG has 5c 5h (two pair, fives and threes).
Hero has Qs Ac (one pair, threes).
Outcome: UTG wins t54800. 

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2157842
pokenum -h qs ac - 5c 5h -- 3d 7c 3c
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 7c 3c 3d
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Qs Ac 265 26.77 719 72.63 6 0.61 0.271
5c 5h 719 72.63 265 26.77 6 0.61 0.729

SinPies · #7 10-31-2006, 08:37 PM

I check here so I don't get check/raised off the best hand. Also, villain isn't usually folding a better hand on the flop.

It's interesting, though, because I'm probably c-betting a pocket pair, so I don't know if checking behind tips my hand too much to a good player. For those who also said check behind, what other types of hands are you checking here? And what's our plan for the turn when we miss again and villain comes out betting? Are we playing bluff catcher, or just trying to lose the minimum when we miss?