NL 25: What's up with all these min 3-bets pf and minraises?

mugatu668 · #1 06-10-2007, 08:50 PM

Seriously, what's up with this? Preflop, it seems to mean anything. Some people will do it with K/10, and some will do it with AA (seemingly because they've been taught to 3-bet aces preflop).
On the flop, I get minraised very often. Sometimes this just means "Hey, I am testing you!" But other times, it is a real sign of strength... Do these people just not know how to bet?

For example (I have a very agressive table image, so I feel like the person here was trying to tell me "i'm sick of your cont bets, I am going to raise to indicate strength but minraise because i don't actually have anything")

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($48.65)
Button ($29.10)
SB ($2.90)
BB ($14.15)
Hero ($34.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises to $1, 3 folds, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2, BB raises to $4, Hero raises to $33.1, BB calls $9.15 (All-In).

Turn: ($48.35) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($48.35) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $48.35
villain has qq

sence25 · #2 06-10-2007, 08:56 PM

edit: this was wrong cuz i didn't watch the stacks right obv

Suaimhnea · #3 06-10-2007, 08:56 PM

With these stack sizes, the 3-bet AI is appropriate. Deeper, I'd peel one off to re-evaluate but this is a good spot.

Unless there's some super read we're missing, this is standard.

Nh.

ShipitFMA · #4 06-10-2007, 08:57 PM

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flopshove is too aggressive.
i'd raise to sth like 12$ and fold to a push prolly.

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so youd fold for 1.15 more

op you played it fine, you'll see 8x enough for this to be good

jmgambler · #5 06-10-2007, 08:59 PM

You have him 2.5:1 in chips, I do the same here

sence25 · #6 06-10-2007, 08:59 PM

yeah nh.
no, i don't fold for 1.15, just thought they were both big.
anyway what do ya think about this advice IF they both were big in fact?

mugatu668 · #7 06-10-2007, 09:12 PM

whoops, villain had qq

mugatu668 · #8 06-10-2007, 09:20 PM

I'd like to see here some discussion about what this means in general, though.

jmgambler · #9 06-10-2007, 09:48 PM

Well you can see why and how in this hand, I know alot of 2+2ers love 3betting AK/QQ/JJ , I am not one of them alot of players withn QQ will call a PF raiser and felt a non A or K board....but you knew that.

Maybe the "new" Trend of Min bets , 3bets PF is the NEW, "raise any PP from any position" [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Vyse · #10 06-10-2007, 10:45 PM

There is no standard answer. They mean different things to different players. It's annoying but not hard to profit from.