NL 25: What\'s up with all these min 3-bets pf and minraises?
 

Seriously, what's up with this? Preflop, it seems to mean anything. Some people will do it with K/10, and some will do it with AA (seemingly because they've been taught to 3-bet aces preflop).
On the flop, I get minraised very often. Sometimes this just means "Hey, I am testing you!" But other times, it is a real sign of strength... Do these people just not know how to bet?

For example (I have a very agressive table image, so I feel like the person here was trying to tell me "i'm sick of your cont bets, I am going to raise to indicate strength but minraise because i don't actually have anything")

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($48.65)
Button ($29.10)
SB ($2.90)
BB ($14.15)
Hero ($34.10)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $1</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($2.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $2</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $33.1</font>, BB calls $9.15 (All-In).

Turn: ($48.35) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: ($48.35) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: $48.35
villain has qq

Re: NL 25: What\'s up with all these min 3-bets pf and minraises?
 

edit: this was wrong cuz i didn't watch the stacks right obv

Re: NL 25: What\'s up with all these min 3-bets pf and minraises?
 

With these stack sizes, the 3-bet AI is appropriate. Deeper, I'd peel one off to re-evaluate but this is a good spot.

Unless there's some super read we're missing, this is standard.

Nh.

Re: NL 25: What\'s up with all these min 3-bets pf and minraises?
 

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flopshove is too aggressive.
i'd raise to sth like 12$ and fold to a push prolly.

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so youd fold for 1.15 more

op you played it fine, you'll see 8x enough for this to be good

Re: NL 25: What\'s up with all these min 3-bets pf and minraises?
 

You have him 2.5:1 in chips, I do the same here

Re: NL 25: What\'s up with all these min 3-bets pf and minraises?
 

yeah nh.
no, i don't fold for 1.15, just thought they were both big.
anyway what do ya think about this advice IF they both were big in fact?

Re: NL 25: What\'s up with all these min 3-bets pf and minraises?
 

whoops, villain had qq

Re: NL 25: What\'s up with all these min 3-bets pf and minraises?
 

I'd like to see here some discussion about what this means in general, though.

Re: NL 25: What\'s up with all these min 3-bets pf and minraises?
 

Well you can see why and how in this hand, I know alot of 2+2ers love 3betting AK/QQ/JJ , I am not one of them alot of players withn QQ will call a PF raiser and felt a non A or K board....but you knew that.

Maybe the "new" Trend of Min bets , 3bets PF is the NEW, "raise any PP from any position" [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Re: NL 25: What\'s up with all these min 3-bets pf and minraises?
 

There is no standard answer. They mean different things to different players. It's annoying but not hard to profit from.