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Old 10-30-2007, 02:58 PM
Bramsterdam Bramsterdam is offline
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Default 200NL - Playing a draw in position

Everest Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00/$2.00 (HH Converter by Kreatief)

<font color="blue">Reads: Villain is frequently punishing my LP raises by calling from the blinds [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] and generally c/f's on the flop, one of the main reasons I am at this table. He hasn't played back at me at all. I have him at 26/10/2.4 after 250 hands</font>

CO ($219.20)
Button ($196.00) (Hero)
SB ($435.20)
BB ($233.75)
MP3 ($200.00)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, BB calls $5.00,

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( $15 )
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12.00</font>, BB calls $12.00,

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( $39 )
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $12.00</font>, Hero calls/raises?
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:01 PM
Paul Thomson Paul Thomson is offline
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Default Re: 200NL - Playing a draw in position

i prefer a call. I'd hate to get 3-bet on the turn.
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:06 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Playing a draw in position

I like a raise as it's such a weak bet so we may have some decent fold equity. If we call it defines our hand as a draw and villain will bet out again most rivers. Also it gets more money in the pot if you hit your outs. If we get 3bet we can muck the hand as villain likely has a set.
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:15 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Playing a draw in position

I just call. Getting 3 bet sucks. He will 3 bet will all his big hands that would probably pay you off some on the river.
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:31 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Playing a draw in position

this looks like a transparent bet/fold line from villian so I think I'd raise almost all my range here.
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:37 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Playing a draw in position

[ QUOTE ]
this looks like a transparent bet/fold line from villian so I think I'd raise almost all my range here.

[/ QUOTE ]This could also be a bluff inducer. I decided to call his bet, because at least some of my outs are well disguised. Villain is pretty bad, so he might pay me off when I hit my flush aswell and getting bet/3bet of my hand would suck big time.

The reason I posted this hand is that my W$WSF is pretty low (~39), so I'm looking for spots where I might play too weak.

I'm obviously interested in more responses..
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:48 PM
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this looks like a transparent bet/fold line from villian so I think I'd raise almost all my range here.

[/ QUOTE ]This could also be a bluff inducer. I decided to call his bet, because at least some of my outs are well disguised. Villain is pretty bad, so he might pay me off when I hit my flush aswell and getting bet/3bet of my hand would suck big time.

The reason I posted this hand is that my W$WSF is pretty low (~39), so I'm looking for spots where I might play too weak.

I'm obviously interested in more responses..

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fwiw, i would like a raise with air or a gut shot or something like that.

but u want to keep him in if he holds something like a smaller flush, you don't want to raise him out.

random question, if villain bets 1/5 the pot on the river is anyone calling...i probably would. if an ace falls on the river and villain's pots the river who's calling?
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Old 10-30-2007, 03:50 PM
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Everest Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00/$2.00 (HH Converter by Kreatief)

<font color="blue">Reads: Villain is frequently punishing my LP raises by calling from the blinds [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] and generally c/f's on the flop, one of the main reasons I am at this table. He hasn't played back at me at all. I have him at 26/10/2.4 after 250 hands</font>

CO ($219.20)
Button ($196.00) (Hero)
SB ($435.20)
BB ($233.75)
MP3 ($200.00)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, BB calls $5.00,

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( $15 )
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12.00</font>, BB calls $12.00,

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( $39 )
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $12.00</font>, Hero calls/raises?

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You are seriously behind here. With 12 outs you need to be getting ~3-1, and villain has kindly laid you the right price. Take the cheap card and rememberr to never play like villain.
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:02 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Playing a draw in position

W$WSF would be directly correlated to your tendency to see flops with a weak suited ace. This hand is ok from the button with a caller in front so you'll have a multiway pot, but when you make a button raise with these kinds of hands the BB is going to call you light, and rightly so. So you end up playing HU with a hand that is better suited for a multiway pot. Check your PT stats and see how your doing playing flush draws. If you'd like all the math on the weak suited Ace send me a PM. I'd also start checking behind with this and other made hands to do a better job of trapping villain and punishing his ass for calling you OOP.
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Old 10-30-2007, 04:25 PM
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Default Re: 200NL - Playing a draw in position

he's letting u draw for cheap, let's be happy and take it
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