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Bramsterdam 10-30-2007 02:58 PM

200NL - Playing a draw in position
 
Everest Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00/$2.00 (HH Converter by Kreatief)

<font color="blue">Reads: Villain is frequently punishing my LP raises by calling from the blinds [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] and generally c/f's on the flop, one of the main reasons I am at this table. He hasn't played back at me at all. I have him at 26/10/2.4 after 250 hands</font>

CO ($219.20)
Button ($196.00) (Hero)
SB ($435.20)
BB ($233.75)
MP3 ($200.00)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, BB calls $5.00,

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( $15 )
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12.00</font>, BB calls $12.00,

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( $39 )
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $12.00</font>, Hero calls/raises?

Paul Thomson 10-30-2007 03:01 PM

Re: 200NL - Playing a draw in position
 
i prefer a call. I'd hate to get 3-bet on the turn.

pureklas 10-30-2007 03:06 PM

Re: 200NL - Playing a draw in position
 
I like a raise as it's such a weak bet so we may have some decent fold equity. If we call it defines our hand as a draw and villain will bet out again most rivers. Also it gets more money in the pot if you hit your outs. If we get 3bet we can muck the hand as villain likely has a set.

Hince 10-30-2007 03:15 PM

Re: 200NL - Playing a draw in position
 
I just call. Getting 3 bet sucks. He will 3 bet will all his big hands that would probably pay you off some on the river.

luckybacon 10-30-2007 03:31 PM

Re: 200NL - Playing a draw in position
 
this looks like a transparent bet/fold line from villian so I think I'd raise almost all my range here.

Bramsterdam 10-30-2007 03:37 PM

Re: 200NL - Playing a draw in position
 
[ QUOTE ]
this looks like a transparent bet/fold line from villian so I think I'd raise almost all my range here.

[/ QUOTE ]This could also be a bluff inducer. I decided to call his bet, because at least some of my outs are well disguised. Villain is pretty bad, so he might pay me off when I hit my flush aswell and getting bet/3bet of my hand would suck big time.

The reason I posted this hand is that my W$WSF is pretty low (~39), so I'm looking for spots where I might play too weak.

I'm obviously interested in more responses..

Paul Thomson 10-30-2007 03:48 PM

Re: 200NL - Playing a draw in position
 
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
this looks like a transparent bet/fold line from villian so I think I'd raise almost all my range here.

[/ QUOTE ]This could also be a bluff inducer. I decided to call his bet, because at least some of my outs are well disguised. Villain is pretty bad, so he might pay me off when I hit my flush aswell and getting bet/3bet of my hand would suck big time.

The reason I posted this hand is that my W$WSF is pretty low (~39), so I'm looking for spots where I might play too weak.

I'm obviously interested in more responses..

[/ QUOTE ]

fwiw, i would like a raise with air or a gut shot or something like that.

but u want to keep him in if he holds something like a smaller flush, you don't want to raise him out.

random question, if villain bets 1/5 the pot on the river is anyone calling...i probably would. if an ace falls on the river and villain's pots the river who's calling?

Leptyne 10-30-2007 03:50 PM

Re: 200NL - Playing a draw in position
 
[ QUOTE ]
Everest Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00/$2.00 (HH Converter by Kreatief)

<font color="blue">Reads: Villain is frequently punishing my LP raises by calling from the blinds [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] and generally c/f's on the flop, one of the main reasons I am at this table. He hasn't played back at me at all. I have him at 26/10/2.4 after 250 hands</font>

CO ($219.20)
Button ($196.00) (Hero)
SB ($435.20)
BB ($233.75)
MP3 ($200.00)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7.00</font>, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, BB calls $5.00,

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ( $15 )
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $12.00</font>, BB calls $12.00,

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ( $39 )
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $12.00</font>, Hero calls/raises?

[/ QUOTE ]

You are seriously behind here. With 12 outs you need to be getting ~3-1, and villain has kindly laid you the right price. Take the cheap card and rememberr to never play like villain.

Leptyne 10-30-2007 04:02 PM

Re: 200NL - Playing a draw in position
 
W$WSF would be directly correlated to your tendency to see flops with a weak suited ace. This hand is ok from the button with a caller in front so you'll have a multiway pot, but when you make a button raise with these kinds of hands the BB is going to call you light, and rightly so. So you end up playing HU with a hand that is better suited for a multiway pot. Check your PT stats and see how your doing playing flush draws. If you'd like all the math on the weak suited Ace send me a PM. I'd also start checking behind with this and other made hands to do a better job of trapping villain and punishing his ass for calling you OOP.

Suigin406 10-30-2007 04:25 PM

Re: 200NL - Playing a draw in position
 
he's letting u draw for cheap, let's be happy and take it


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