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Old 08-28-2007, 06:59 PM
pernicus53 pernicus53 is offline
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Default This hand didn\'t feel right

Hello friends. This was PS, .05/.10. SB is loose-passive player.
Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $0.05/$0.1
8 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $2.35
UTG+1: $2.22
MP1: $1.65
Pernicus: $11.02
CO: $6.20
Button: $3.30
SB: $1.91
BB: $2


Pre-flop: (8 players) Pernicus is MP2 with J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img];
3 folds, Pernicus raises, 2 folds, SB calls (3.4:1.5), BB folds.


Flop: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]; T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]; (5SB, 2 players)
SB bets, Pernicus raises, SB calls (8:1).


Turn: Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]; (4.5BB, 2 players)
SB bets, Pernicus calls (5.5:1).


River: T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6.5BB, 2 players)
SB checks, Pernicus ????.


Results:
Final pot: 6.5BB


I'm interested to know what you think I should've done on the river, but any comments on any streets are welcome. What do you put SB on?
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Old 08-28-2007, 07:24 PM
Albert Moulton Albert Moulton is offline
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Default Re: This hand didn\'t feel right

Busted draws and low pairs probably don't c/c the river.

TPWK calls and has you beaten.

You certainly don't want to open yourself up to a c/r.

So, check behind.

I suspect that SB either has TPWK, a big hand of some kind looking to c/r the river, or a missed draw that will fold if you bet.
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Old 08-28-2007, 07:25 PM
GeniusOrCrazy GeniusOrCrazy is offline
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Default Re: This hand didn\'t feel right

Sorry if it should be obvious but any chance you could add dollar values for the bet sizes...not sure if i'm just reading this wrong

appreciate you probly dont want my views after asking that ;o)

ta
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Old 08-28-2007, 08:26 PM
pernicus53 pernicus53 is offline
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Default Re: This hand didn\'t feel right

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Busted draws and low pairs probably don't c/c the river.

TPWK calls and has you beaten.

You certainly don't want to open yourself up to a c/r.

So, check behind.

I suspect that SB either has TPWK, a big hand of some kind looking to c/r the river, or a missed draw that will fold if you bet.

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Interesting. I checked and he showed an 8d 9s, so I won the hand. I was wondering if I should've bet the river. I was worried about the c/r, but I was worried about trips. Maybe I made the right call and he was just playing something way too loose. I didn't want to raise the turn b/c of the Queen--too passive?
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Old 08-28-2007, 08:43 PM
poker_bill poker_bill is offline
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Default Re: This hand didn\'t feel right

At the micro stakes, they'll go all the way down to the river with any draw. I would check behind here as well, if he had a ten or a queen, he'll either call you or raise you, if he had nothing, he'll fold to a bet, so you're either going to lose 1 or 2 bets, or gain nothing.
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Old 08-28-2007, 09:32 PM
ChrisV ChrisV is offline
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Default Re: This hand didn\'t feel right

There's no point betting the river when he has 89 and isn't going to call. Checking the river is definitely right because most of the time when he calls or raises you're beat. There's some argument for raising the turn here. It partly depends whether you think SB is the kind of player who might bluff the river with a busted draw.

Probably the best line here is to raise turn and check behind on the river.
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Old 08-29-2007, 10:51 AM
PantsOnFire PantsOnFire is offline
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Default Re: This hand didn\'t feel right

This is a classic example.

If he has a Q, T or some stupid two pair, he will call your river bet and beat you.

In this classic spot, you have to ask yourself what hand do I beat AND he will call. Let's try 66, 88, 99, 7x. Now go back to how he played the hand and see if any of those make sense.

If you approach your river bet with this line of thinking, you will generally come to the conclusion that checking behind is best.

And if you ever play NL, this is even more important due to how much a mistake can cost you in this situations.
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Old 08-29-2007, 11:07 AM
KurtSF KurtSF is offline
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Default Re: This hand didn\'t feel right

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Sorry if it should be obvious but any chance you could add dollar values for the bet sizes...not sure if i'm just reading this wrong

appreciate you probly dont want my views after asking that ;o)

ta

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Hi, the dollar values are listed at the top of the hand history.

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Limit: $0.05/$0.1

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