plo100 - playing a non nut wrap??

Elrazor · #1 10-04-2007, 04:36 AM

BB is shortstacking and finished the session 69/0/0.2, SB runs 56/7/1.83, splashes around alot and goes to SD 31%. Am i better raising here to get it HU or flat calling??

Cryptologic
Pot Limit Omaha Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
5 players
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Stack sizes:
Hero: $99
CO: $75.85
Button: $187.72
SB: $93.15
BB: $40.31

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero raises to $3.5, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($10.5, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $10.5, Hero??

Petteri · #2 10-04-2007, 04:38 AM

Shove. You have strong hand.

alavet · #3 10-04-2007, 07:02 AM

uh-uh. BB has 0.2 af, so i call flop and prob call turn
he def should have a set here and i dont think we have any fold eqity.

Ribbo · #4 10-04-2007, 07:06 AM

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Shove. You have strong hand.

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Horrible advice. Think next time.

Shortstacker clearly has a set and your hand plays better 3 ways than heads up, so calling is preferred.

RoundTower · #5 10-04-2007, 07:24 AM

I'd shove. BB doesn't "clearly" have a set, your hand doesn't play all that well on the turn if the guy overcalls, and it is nice to clean up some outs if you can make the other guy fold.

Ribbo · #6 10-04-2007, 07:49 AM

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I'd shove. BB doesn't "clearly" have a set, your hand doesn't play all that well on the turn if the guy overcalls, and it is nice to clean up some outs if you can make the other guy fold.

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With an aggression factor that low it is clear you are behind his range, which includes him having a larger straight wrap. Either way calling is better over raising as it lets you get off the hand if the third player reraises.
You really do want a third caller, don't be forcing out players with 2 pair themselves.
Raising to "clean up out" also means you "clean up" dead money. Third player is loose and will overcall with garbage if you let him into the pot. The extra money in the pot more than makes up from any outs he may have.

NooBster · #7 10-04-2007, 11:40 AM

It sure looks like BB is willing to commit himself to this hand. I have a hard time putting him on a set here. Wouldn't he be looking for an opportunity to c/r this flop? Anyhow, I think a call is optimal as maybe it string along the SB and sweetens our pot. If the turn pairs the board I think you can get away on the cheap. Overall, I don't see a shove being the optimal play here.

Elrazor · #8 10-04-2007, 01:24 PM

ok so a mix between shove and call, which is how i felt playing the hand. When i am in a situation where im not sure whether call or shove is optimal i usually go with the agressive option, as i find it keeps your decisions further along slightly easier. So i shove hoping to get HU with shortie in some kind of flip

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($10.5, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $10.5, Hero raises to $42, SB calls, BB calls all-in $26.31.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($131.31, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $120.93, Sidepot 1: $10.38)
SB checks, Hero??

ugh, see what i mean about spashy?? so what does SB have here? i think 2 pair/set are discountable so that leaves draws - i think its important to note i have top pair here, and also no fold equity.

So am i better shoving and hoping he has a similar draw and a lower or no pair so my jacks will take the side pot, or just check it down??

Hoopster81 · #9 10-04-2007, 03:00 PM

I see people cold calling reraises a lot more in PLO than NLHE, but I still think he's generally pretty strong here.

I'd take the card.

sqwisssssss · #10 10-04-2007, 03:52 PM

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ok so a mix between shove and call, which is how i felt playing the hand. When i am in a situation where im not sure whether call or shove is optimal i usually go with the agressive option, as i find it keeps your decisions further along slightly easier. So i shove hoping to get HU with shortie in some kind of flip

Flop: 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($10.5, 3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $10.5, Hero raises to $42, SB calls, BB calls all-in $26.31.

Turn: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($131.31, 2 players + 1 all-in - Main pot: $120.93, Sidepot 1: $10.38)
SB checks, Hero??

ugh, see what i mean about spashy?? so what does SB have here? i think 2 pair/set are discountable so that leaves draws - i think its important to note i have top pair here, and also no fold equity.

So am i better shoving and hoping he has a similar draw and a lower or no pair so my jacks will take the side pot, or just check it down??

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ugh, theres more to the hand? lol razor, your doing an excellent job of stringing us along in this twisted hand. i'd say its pretty obvious sb has Q 10 with god knows what else. lol, ive seen idiots play middle or bottom set the same passive way too. they cant re raise with their hand but they can call off all this crazy action. people who play like that drive me crazy.

i cant see any other line than taking the free card here on the turn. but then again, i couldnt blame anyone for shoving here too because the pot and situation has already gotten some what out of control and lets face it, you might win a big pot with the right river card......or atleast win a decent side pot.

my gut says flip a coin.