QJo against maniac

Smarazza · #1 11-08-2006, 10:51 PM

Hi all,
UTG+2 is 12/6.4/1.14 after 93 hands
MP1 is 30/12.8/2.67 after 39 hands
MP3 is 63/10/1.6 after 160 hands, during the session he was being very aggressive, betting, rising and bluffing a lot.

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls (6.5:1), UTG+2 calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.5SB, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, MP3 raises, Hero??

Buckmulligan · #2 11-08-2006, 10:56 PM

call and check out the turn.

Sigurd · #3 11-08-2006, 11:56 PM

My initial reaction was to fold preflop, but after thinking/running a pokerstove simulation, I would call.
I think that call the flop and then calldown unless MP1 or UTG+2 starts showing aggression.

MrP · #4 11-09-2006, 02:49 AM

not prfitable enough in the long run versus any aggressive raiser
fold pf
wait for you shot to have him 4 betting you when u have the nuts
-EV in long run rember

bennyhana · #5 11-09-2006, 10:43 AM

i hate QJo. absolutely hate it.

I think I 3 bet to try and isolate the LAG. if mp1 calls that, I doubt I'd invest any more money in this hand.

Burning_K · #6 11-09-2006, 01:14 PM

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i hate QJo. absolutely hate it.

I think I 3 bet to try and isolate the LAG. if mp1 calls that, I doubt I'd invest any more money in this hand.

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If you 3bet and mp1/mp3 calls, you check turn and it's 1 bet back to you after any action, you'd have the pot odds to call to hit the gutshot (maybe another Q) no?

davelin · #7 11-09-2006, 11:25 AM

Grunch...

Fold pre-flop. Ugh, that flop sucks.

BigBadBabar · #8 11-09-2006, 11:27 AM

i vote for a 3bet on the flop

bbb

4708romain · #9 11-09-2006, 12:07 PM

so do i, to make MP1 fold some AJ, AK, AT (or make a mistake with one of those). then i'd lead the turn. fold to any MP1's aggression if he's still in the hand, call down the LAG reluctantly if he raises me on any street.

Befolder · #10 11-09-2006, 12:16 PM

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Grunch...

Fold pre-flop. Ugh, that flop sucks.

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Even getting 6/1 in the BB we should fold? My habit is to call because it's multi, but perhaps we should be worried about common domination?

I could use something to think about here.

I'm also inclined to 3 bet that flop, perhaps getting MP1 to question how good his hand is and fold.