QJo against maniac
 

Hi all,
UTG+2 is 12/6.4/1.14 after 93 hands
MP1 is 30/12.8/2.67 after 39 hands
MP3 is 63/10/1.6 after 160 hands, during the session he was being very aggressive, betting, rising and bluffing a lot.

Poker Stars
Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $1/$2
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 raises</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls <font color="aaaaaa">(6.5:1)</font>, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (8.5SB, 4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero??

Re: QJo against maniac
 

call and check out the turn.

Re: QJo against maniac
 

My initial reaction was to fold preflop, but after thinking/running a pokerstove simulation, I would call.
I think that call the flop and then calldown unless MP1 or UTG+2 starts showing aggression.

Re: QJo against maniac
 

not prfitable enough in the long run versus any aggressive raiser
fold pf
wait for you shot to have him 4 betting you when u have the nuts
-EV in long run rember

Re: QJo against maniac
 

i hate QJo. absolutely hate it.

I think I 3 bet to try and isolate the LAG. if mp1 calls that, I doubt I'd invest any more money in this hand.

Re: QJo against maniac
 

Grunch...

Fold pre-flop. Ugh, that flop sucks.

Re: QJo against maniac
 

i vote for a 3bet on the flop

bbb

Re: QJo against maniac
 

so do i, to make MP1 fold some AJ, AK, AT (or make a mistake with one of those). then i'd lead the turn. fold to any MP1's aggression if he's still in the hand, call down the LAG reluctantly if he raises me on any street.

Re: QJo against maniac
 

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Grunch...

Fold pre-flop. Ugh, that flop sucks.

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Even getting 6/1 in the BB we should fold? My habit is to call because it's multi, but perhaps we should be worried about common domination?

I could use something to think about here.

I'm also inclined to 3 bet that flop, perhaps getting MP1 to question how good his hand is and fold.

Re: QJo against maniac
 

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Grunch...

Fold pre-flop. Ugh, that flop sucks.

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Even getting 6/1 in the BB we should fold?

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I would even with the odds our hand doesn't hold up very well here. It is also very tricky to play when you end up flopping something like TP.