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Old 07-18-2007, 11:05 PM
yellowbluebus yellowbluebus is offline
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Default NL25 - KK c/r on A high flop

Poker Stars - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.10/$0.25 Blinds - 4 Players - (LegoPoker HH Converter)

SB: $19.25
BB: $41.30
Hero (UTG): $33.00
BTN: $7.70

Reads: <font color="blue">Villain seems decent. He 3-bet a LAG PF 2 times in a row prior to me getting involved. Is this standard?</font>

Preflop: Hero is dealt K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 Players)
<font color="red">Hero raises to $1.00</font>, 2 folds, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $1.50</font>, <font color="red">BB raises to $4.00</font>, Hero folds

Pot Size: $7.60 ($0.25 Rake)
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:10 PM
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Default Re: NL25 - KK c/r on A high flop

tough spot, i call and lead turn for 7 or 8 and fold to a shove.
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:13 PM
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Default Re: NL25 - KK c/r on A high flop

villain could be doing this with a flush draw a lot of the time
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:53 AM
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Default Re: NL25 - KK c/r on A high flop

Unless I know that he is extremely aggressive post flop I am letting this go. As said earlier this seems like a reverse implied odds situation. Also even if he isn't on a flush draw it would be difficult to call another bet if a spade falls.
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:14 PM
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Default Re: NL25 - KK c/r on A high flop

I would choose to not get involved in a big pot where I am probably way behind and just fold. Why would be do this with a flush draw OOP...
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:17 PM
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Default Re: NL25 - KK c/r on A high flop

I call and decide what I am gonna due on the turn, since he is the BB and will be leading into you again, or checking to you.

With no reads or if your image isnt established, a fold is not a bad option.
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:21 PM
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Default Re: NL25 - KK c/r on A high flop

I think the fold here is incredibly standard. It's a reverse implied odds nightmare scenario. If you're ahead, you often won't win any more, and sometimes you'll still get bluffed out later. If you're behind, you'll probably have to pay a lot more to get to showdown.

I don't see how anything but folding could be the right play.
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Old 07-18-2007, 11:22 PM
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Default Re: NL25 - KK c/r on A high flop

woops, didnt see that u had position, in this case i probably call and decide on turn or just fold.
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Old 07-19-2007, 12:06 AM
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Default Re: NL25 - KK c/r on A high flop

I guess calling here with Ks is OK?
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Old 07-19-2007, 01:01 AM
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Default Re: NL25 - KK c/r on A high flop

Just check the flop next time in this situation. As played just fold there is no reason to go any futher once an ace hits the board and you are raised.
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