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Old 05-25-2007, 08:07 PM
BigBadBabar BigBadBabar is offline
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Default 3bet this turn?

villain is 26/2/2 after 220
is this a standard 3bet? what if i have no kicker? what if i have no trump kicker? what if i have a tiny kicker of trump? what if kittens?

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Pre-flop: (5 players) hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG folds, CO calls, Button folds, <font color="#cc0000">hero raises</font>, BB calls, CO calls.

Flop: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5.5SB, 3 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets</font>, BB calls, CO folds.

Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3.75BB, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">hero bets</font>, <font color="#cc0000">BB raises</font>, hero ?
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Old 05-25-2007, 08:24 PM
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Default Re: 3bet this turn?

I've never seen those stats before. I'm going to assume he's not a fsd raiser &amp; call down.
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Old 05-25-2007, 09:59 PM
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I'd calldown. I'd expect Kx to usually raise the flop, and if he's semibluffing he should fire the river.
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Old 05-25-2007, 10:51 PM
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Default Re: 3bet this turn?

I don't like 3-betting the turn, I think raising preflop sucks too.
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Old 05-25-2007, 11:32 PM
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Default Re: 3bet this turn?

The preflop raise sucks, call it down from the turn.
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Old 05-26-2007, 12:27 AM
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Default Re: 3bet this turn?

Im surprised that people hate the preflop raise. We have a pretty good hand, CO doesnt have a very good hand, and we might be able to get it heads up with CO.
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Old 05-26-2007, 12:29 AM
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Im surprised that people hate the preflop raise. We have a pretty good hand, CO doesnt have a very good hand, and we might be able to get it heads up with CO.

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Hero has a marginally good starting hand, and the worst position at the table, and anyone with 2 connected or suited cards just about has odds to call figuring they will be getting 5:1 before the flop. I'd rather not try to push some small edge with my cards by comitting 1.5 more SB's and then have to play the entire hand OOP.
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Old 05-26-2007, 02:37 AM
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Im surprised that people hate the preflop raise. We have a pretty good hand, CO doesnt have a very good hand, and we might be able to get it heads up with CO.

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Hero has a marginally good starting hand, and the worst position at the table, and anyone with 2 connected or suited cards just about has odds to call figuring they will be getting 5:1 before the flop. I'd rather not try to push some small edge with my cards by comitting 1.5 more SB's and then have to play the entire hand OOP.

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By raising we'll often get it heads up, and we're not really commiting 1.5SB, it's costing us 1SB more than calling, and not even that when you consider we probably have an equity edge against an open limper and a random hand.
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Old 05-26-2007, 03:31 AM
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Default Re: 3bet this turn?

to all those who do not like the preflop raise:

whats your range for isolation raises vs a single limper from the small blind?
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Old 05-26-2007, 05:08 AM
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By raising we'll often get it heads up, and we're not really commiting 1.5SB, it's costing us 1SB more than calling, and not even that when you consider we probably have an equity edge against an open limper and a random hand.


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and yet, you ignore the most important reason NOT to raise here.
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