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Old 08-15-2007, 12:49 PM
The Man The Man is offline
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Default Re: Live 200NL, Turned TPTK, facing shove

you should be checking this flop 100% of the time. If you do bet, jesus, please bet harder. The turn bet is way too small too, but never ever bet flop here. Fold given action.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:14 PM
RyanCMU RyanCMU is offline
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Default Re: Live 200NL, Turned TPTK, facing shove

Turn is a fold... You should also be checking this flop, this is a horrible board to lead on given your hand.
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Old 08-15-2007, 02:40 PM
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Default Re: Live 200NL, Turned TPTK, facing shove

Okay, thanks. Sorry for the vanilla hand, and no need for deep discussion on it, so results: Villain (somewhat predictably) held 9To for the straight, Hero called, villain doubled.

I was the villain this hand, hero was an annoying know-it-all-donkey who continued to defend his call when a second know-it-all-donkey berated him for it (I myself was a good boy and didn't tap on the aquarium); discussion of the hand went on for several minutes, and Hero managed to convince several people at the table that he was ahead "at least 75% of the time there." I thought otherwise, but kept my mouth shut; however, being somewhat new to 1-2NL Live, I posted the hand here to make sure people agreed that the call was as bad as I thought it was.

I know the flop bet was horrible, but thankfully it didn't come up. Wonderously, in this hand, it almost worked.
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Old 08-15-2007, 03:18 PM
Johnes Benjamin Johnes Benjamin is offline
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Default Re: Live 200NL, Turned TPTK, facing shove

I think he sort of felt committed since he had put so much money in when he had nothing but A high. When he actually paired top pair with A kicker he felt he couldnt't just fold, it was exactly what he'd been waiting for.
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Old 08-15-2007, 07:03 PM
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Default Re: Live 200NL, Turned TPTK, facing shove

easy call. His weak bet sizing made him exploitable to bluff raises, hence he must call lighter. Also since he turned a hand, that makes his hand slightly stronger because of the element of surprise.
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Old 08-15-2007, 07:44 PM
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Default Re: Live 200NL, Turned TPTK, facing shove

$277 in pot ($124 turn pot + $40 hero bet + $113 villain raise) costs $113 to call....at better then 2 to 1 not sure why he was trying to convince anyone he was 75%....only needed to be 30%.

Flop bet is ugly beyond definition though. That said this is 1/2 Live and $ > % of pot in most low limit live players minds.
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