close turn spot in blind battle vs LAG

yourface · #1 06-03-2007, 11:28 PM

villain is a LAG

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Limit Holdem Ring game
Limit: $5/$10
4 players
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Pre-flop: (4 players) yourface is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, SB raises, yourface 3-bets, SB calls.

Flop: 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6SB, 2 players)
SB bets, yourface calls (7:1).

Turn: Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4BB, 2 players)
SB bets, yourface is getting 5:1

toss · #2 06-03-2007, 11:30 PM

Don't fold. Probably see a showdown.

MacGuyV · #3 06-03-2007, 11:31 PM

Could've donked lots of draws besides J9, plus you have a gutshot yourself plus SD value, I no fold here.

jba · #4 06-03-2007, 11:38 PM

i think this is a fact and not opinion: if your turn decision is close, your pf play is bad.

yourface · #5 06-03-2007, 11:40 PM

uh how so?

toss · #6 06-03-2007, 11:43 PM

I think jba means you should call, otherwise why 3-bet preflop?

nickg1532 · #7 06-03-2007, 11:47 PM

meh, crappy turn card, but i call

jba · #8 06-03-2007, 11:48 PM

i'm saying dont make big pots against a guy where you might have to make questionable folds with a showdownable hand that has lots of outs when behind.

yourface · #9 06-03-2007, 11:49 PM

I don't see how those are related.
he's a LAG, not a maniac. I can't just blindly take A high to showdown ignoring the board and action.

milesdyson · #10 06-03-2007, 11:55 PM

worst thing about this turn card is how it affects the river. when he gets called on that turn he is more likely to give up with busted draws. if it were a turn 6 or 7 i'd feel way better about calling on the river.

i think you should fold certain river cards that just nail the rest of his worse hands. 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] are folds imo. K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] are both close and probably folds too.

re: pf i think it's fine to build pots against laggier players. they'll put pressure on you whatever you do, but you can push your equity advantage preflop when you have a big hand like this.